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hey! I can finally join in this thread First show in less than 2 weeks Lead training - not going so well, stacking...er ditto. Will have one show training class prior to getting in the ring Any and all advice welcome! oh and my new show baby is Kockak Tattle Tale, "Atticus" - the oh so smooshy and lovely great dane pup ;)

awww Jacquilee80 that is lovely to hear.

Liza is a wonderful woman, she like many others from the various breed clubs and rescues, has been down there vollunteering with all the grooming ect. and I'm sure many possitive links are being strengthened/established

our dog park has segregated areas, I stick to the small dog area because we have some regulars in the larger section who don't seem to see any problem with their large dog being small dog agressive. No provocation needed, his dog makes a beeline for small dogs and then has them on the ground...at which point he starts yelling at the small dog owner that they should be in the small dog area and are not allowed in the other section even though this is not the case and the signage clearly indicates as much. I'm sad for Boo who has great doggy manners and likes to hang around with the big guys, but it just isn't worth it. I'm also annoyed because the small dog section is smaller than our new backyard so he doesn't get to have a nice big space to run like the other section has i have no problem sticking to a small dog section, but I wish council would make them a decent size!

Just to double check - everything I was supposed to send arrived I hope? I use registered mail when sending anything so I'll have the reciepts here somewhere if there was any question of things going out

If a breeder desexed a bitch and shipped it out two days later, there'd be hell to pay for that but because it's the RSPCA it doesn't matter does it. It's called making sure the animal is in a fit and healthy state and in my opinion that means that the stitches are out and the animal is ready to slot straight into the new owners home. It doesn't include lumping the after care on the new owner. I don't see any issue in a breeder rehoming a dog with stiches, could be an issue if flights were involved or a long road trip interstate ect. but for a local/localish area rehome I wouldn't see that as a problem. Perhaps breeder rehomes and smaller scale rescues generally opt to make sure stiches are all done because it's just easier than trying to make co-ordinate vets, that and when you are dealing with smaller numbers it's not exactly a logistical nightmare - different kettle of fish when it's an organisation rehoming hundreds of animals that have on site vet facilities and links statewide to vets in the community. Aftercare isn't exactly a burden, it's all simple stuff - certainly doesn't meet the criteria of "not in a fit and healthy state" if everything has gone normally IMO

what would the reasoning be behind keeping them longer after de-sex? de-sex is a pretty routine op. with no intensely complex aftercare. Adopters are given an aftercare sheet and checkup/stiches removed consult. This is common practise for pounds who de-sex prior to sale, pounds who offer a de-sex program aftersale don't spend more than 24hrs if that before going back to their new owners I believe? Most puppy buyers take their dogs in for de-sex with no prior experience of what aftercare is required, it isn't a difficult task so I'm not getting why this would be frowned on?

Those that don't pass temp testing this time round are going to be given every opportunity with the aim towards finding them forever homes down the track. RSPCA are hoping to get a few more experienced dog people on board who are familiar with/willing to rehabilitating shy dogs, particularly for the small fluffies. It will be under the direction of behaviourists and with full support, they just need people willing to take on these special little guys and help them blossom. Please get in contact with the vollunteer co-ordinators if you are able to help out.

I loved every minute of it, I'd become increadibly bored being home by myself most of the day, most every day and so everything was a wonderful adventure with my new companion. Because I don't work a 9-5 job I had plenty of time to catch up on sleep with nanna naps in between training and playing and taking about 6 million cute puppy pics ;)

perhpas Adnil444 is seeing Danes who were desexed prior to finishing growing?

What happens now DMA? ;)

I presume they are in Redlands shire pound? If the owners surrender them/fail to turn up, can you let me know so I can alert Cav rescue?

Q1 - when it comes to ...... & progeny, I presume it's a case of only one of their progeny in the ring not multiple? if so, does anyone ever enter multiple progeny as seperate entries? Q2 - when paying with cheques, does the account you use have to be in the name of the person entering? eg: would a cheque from a non-member spouse be acceptable?

haven't read all the replies, but this may be of interest: http://davidcavill.wordpress.com/alternati...nine-behaviour/ "Alternative views on the modification of canine behaviour As many of you will know, the Kennel Club has been developing an accreditation scheme for dog trainers and behaviourists for over two years.The scheme is excellent and comprehensive although it would be fair to say that is progress has not always been smooth and some feel it is much more complicated than it need be. I am not one of them – the accreditation of standards in any field is complex almost by definition – and I feel that those tasked with creating this award have done an excellent job and the first half dozen candidates have just been awarded their certification. However, there are two issues that have to be addressed. The first appears to be almost solving itself in an entirely unexpected way. It is the question of how dogs are best trained or their behaviour modified. The problems have really arisen because I believe a false dichotomy that been created by the learning processes suggested by some (I emphasise ’some’) research questioning pack theory. I am not disputing the findings per se because it shows an evolution in the way in which dogs behave that sounds reasonable and has been successfully demonstrated by many trainers.However, I am saying that other research does not back it up – sometimes partially and sometime completely. If you go tohttp://www.anglianwolf.com and click on ‘what is applied canine behaviour’, you will find what I think is a reasonable summary of the ‘old’ perception. At the same time, I have no problem with the views of Donaldson (both Jean and Ian), Prior, Kerkhove and others, except that their published material is scattered with statements such as ‘if true’, ‘may’, ’suggests’ and ’seems’. You could probably put all those same qualifications into the work done by Lorenz, Trummler and their followers so there is no doubt that the understanding of canine behaviour is not an exact science. My own view is pragmatic and does not depend on a ‘vision’, ‘research’ or opinion’. Given that any successful methods employed to train dogs are ‘reasonable’ by any humanitarian standards it does not matter what the theoretical foundation is. The philosophy and ideas are important, interesting – even fascinating (and should certainly be understood by those involved in any behavioural work) – but they may give rise to a number of approaches to problems of behaviour. But one approach does not necessarily wipe another from the face of the earth and so you would think there is little reason to get upset if there is any disagreement. Not so: most of the proponents of each view are evangelical in their condemnation of the others’ ideas It seems to me that we have been confused into thinking that there is an enormous gulf between the “old” (harsh and brutal) method, which embraces pack hierarchy and dominance, and the “new” (modern, progressive and gentle) method, which rejects these ideas altogether. Why should we have to choose between one and the other if (and I emphasise ‘if’) both work within those humanitarian parameters on which we all agree? There appears to be a feeling that if you do not embrace the ‘new’ you are automatically of the ’old’ and therefore are ‘harsh and brutal’. My experience reinforces my belief that this is simply not the case. You may argue that the ‘pack’ approach may give credibility to those who might be harsh and I would take the point if overall attitudes to training had not changed. No one (well, virtually no one) would return to the Barbara Woodhouse ‘school’ despite her methods being very successful. The reason for all this detail is that as things stand we are not yet in a position to condemn anyone would feels that pack hierarchies provide a reasonable sensible basis for CBM and in our own advanced Canine Psychology course at the Animal Care College we state that serious problems my require ‘rank reduction techniques’ i.e. those based on pack theory. I took up the dichotomy with Sue Evans who is responsible for the Kennel Club’s accreditation programme. A slow, secretive smile and satisfied smile surfaced. She told me that one of the most interesting aspects of the assessment process was that as assessors had not been ‘screened’ for their views on dog training, many had been assessing candidates from the ‘other’ approach. She said that their faces ‘were a picture’ as they realised that an approach they themselves would not have used and in fact, rejected, worked perfectly well. This is excellent news. Clearly, the argument is not, as some have suggested, Creationists against Darwinists. In the case of training and behaviour modification there is genuine and palpable evidence on both sides of the argument: much more like two people looking out of the window and one concluding it might rain later and the other concluding that it might clear up and be sunny. The second may be more difficult. A recent survey carried out by Pet Plan has revealed that one in four Vets have treated animals, generally dogs, for conditions caused by the ingestion of drugs. Regular readers will remember that I expressed my concern on this issue a month or so back. Part of the report reads: ‘Whilst mood-enhancing drugs such as cannabis rarely prove fatal for a pet, unpleasant side effects can include dizziness, vomiting and temporary loss of movement. The effects can last up to three or four days and throughout that time; veterinary monitoring is essential to ensure major organs don’t fail. As a result vets bills can run into many hundreds of pounds.’ There was no specific indication as to whether these drugs were introduced by their owners by accident or deliberately by other vets or behaviourists and the assumption in the report surmised accidental ingestion but the possibility that these drugs may have been introduced deliberately highlights once again what is becoming an increasing problem within the world of Canine Behaviour Modification (CBM). As Studies Co-ordinator of the Animal Care College I have naturally taken an interest in what is going on in the world of CBM and my concern is that those who use psychotropic drugs to calm down unruly dogs either while they treat them for behaviour problems more conventionally or on a permanent basis, are not prepared to listen to the concerns of many experienced trainers, vets and, indeed, the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons. They have dug themselves into a trench to extent that they cannot see above the parapet (do trenches have parapets or is does it only apply to battlements?). The Kennel Club must take a view on this matter in relation to their Accreditation Scheme because the recent culture of demanding stress free training (for some) often requires the administration of prescription drugs. The panels set up under the Animal Welfare Bill, with its provision of a ‘duty of care’ responsibility to animals are now working on defining that duty as part of secondary legislation. I hope that this will give added impetus to the view that stress levels while dog are being trained should be kept as low as possible and that the used of prescription drugs will be seen only as a last resort rather than a catch all ‘quick fix’ solution. In the meantime, I understand that Royal College will be addressing all aspects of the psychotropic dug issue separately. (January 2006)"

Congrats again Time for a nanna nap? ;)

awww so happy to hear things are looking up! It all sounds very possitive and he is a lovely looking boy :D CL - when you consider it from the point of view of a puppy buyer who wants more from a breeder than just available pups, many litters on the ground don't necessarily mean many to choose from. I knew whose dogs I liked the look of, whose websites seemed to have all the right info and who I had heard really good things about, so I had a "short list" of breeders - some had pups advertised some did not. I sent off an email all about us and asked for all the information that was pertinent to how they breed and raise pups - an awful lot didn't reply and I've since learnt they are almost universaly breeders whose answers I would not have liked. It was pure luck that one of my top choice breeders had an upcoming litter and didn't start compiling a wait list till pups were on the ground - I could well have waited much longer and I would have done so happily if I didn't feel confident that they would be there long term with any questions/concerns I might have!

colour me confused - there is at least one doggy cafe in QLD where they have a menu for furry and human customers alike, aparently the stipulation is they must remain in the outside tabled area and not come inside - so if THAT is ok, what is the bloody difference when it comes to regular cafes? is there some specific permit that must be granted and if so, why aren't they telling cafe owners about it?

the major differences between the two that I noted were general cleanliness at time of footage being taken(unsurprising given one was a raid and the other a pre-arranged visit - don't tend to leave those dead pups lying around when expecting company I imagine), general living conditions - where banksia provided an area where open airflow and ability to properly clean seemed to be at least partly considered in design (although how this pans out in stoms ect. i don't know), the raided farm was completely enclosed and made of materials harder to properly clean and disinfect- so even with the same cleaning routines your levels of amonia would be more of a concern at the raided property. Banksia had outdoor runs(though who knows how often they get used), they did not mention if the raided property had any exercise areas if I'm remembering correctly. I've only watched it once though - would need to look more closely again to confirm the first impressions and see what further details can be spotted. I would not be looking to footage to determine health status - it wont tell you if that belly is full of food or worms, it wont tell you if those ears are infected, it wont tell you if the teeth are rotting, it wont tell you if the animals have never had a vaccination ect. My Cavalier will wag happily and give the vet staff kisses when they are causing him a decent amount of discomfort by removing bandages post surgery. My foster cav had terribly infected ears but you wouldn't know just from looking to see if her tail ever wagged or not... K9Angel - happy to be corrected but I thought I heard the guy from banksia say they can breed twice in an 18 month period - nice of him not to clarify with "and again in the next 18 month period - on and on till they are of no use anymore".

whoops, only just saw your PM lilli, in reply to your Q -I'm with Dogs QLD :D great to see some replies coming in.

Hi guys, does anyone have a link to or copy of basic crate training techniques they could post/email me? Particularly if there is mention of any considerations when crate training an adult dog (if there are any). I have an adopter who would like some info and I'm sure there must be something already put together that phrases things better than I could :D Cheers.

I used to walk past a very territorial bull terrior on my way to school and he scared the bejesus out of me - has only been in the last two years I've had the opportunity to meet some and discover what lovely clowns they are but it did involve having to push past the irrational hesitation and make an effort to properly meet them. I don't really have an issue now and can see what attracts people to them Strangely I had more run ins with my childhood neighbour's cattle dog - nasty piece of work who really did want to get me, yet I haven't had a fear of them, they still aren't a breed on my "wish list" but thats just down to not being suitable for me. Some people are scared of ALL dogs, but for the most part hardly anyone is wary of a Cavalier, I'm anticipating that when we get our great dane, reactions in general are likely to be different, just due to the sheer size intimidating people. I'll probably find that a bit sad but the important thing is that I do everything necessary to have a well rounded and socialised dog who *I* am confident of, even if strangers are not

one product I've seen this year is "Hide 'em Find 'em eggs" Kmart and Target should have them in stock. Basicly once you turn them on they start talking/giggling/making sounds for kids to follow and find them - once you open them up they have a little bunny or chick toy inside that says "you found me!" easy to find, no chocolate to worry about and the kids get the fun of the "hunt" Also really good for sight impaired kids ETA - if you want to give chocolate eggs also, it's easy enough to attach a note to one of them saying "find the rest of you eggs here:" with a picture of somewhere in the house the dogs can't get to

I've found the kids who are coming along with their parents are usually fairly dog savy and the parents tend to keep an eye on them. Most parks around here have kids playgrounds next to them so you usually find the kids are more interested in going there than staying in the dog area. Parents can keep an eye on both kids and dogs and it seems to work well. With parks that have a big and small dog section, there tends to be a few kids who have big dogs in the family and so find the littlies interesting - I've never had any of them be a problem and they listen and remember instructions. The kids I've found to be a potential problem are the ones whose families don't have dogs - both they and the parents aren't dog savy and so you see stuff like parents letting their kids go into the offleash to "play with the dogs" and the kids run about screaming with no parent in sight, sometimes a slightly older child is the only supervision for the younger ones - my inate childcare worker steps up and between myself and my son we end up conducting a short lesson in how to behave around dogs LOL and I'm not above instructing the older siblings to take the toddlers back to mum or dad with a message that they should be supervising them around strange dogs.

They were surrendered, not seized. Perhpas seized intially, but it appears the puppy farmers decided not to fight it. They were siezed back in September last year, and the owners agreed to surrender only this past week. The dogs have been in foster care around 6 months during which time they were still legally owned by the Schloss's and the RSPCA were not able to de-sex. My reply was to the query of if part of the reason mums and pups were brought back in to the shelter during that 6 month period (as mentioned in the article) for weaning had anything to do with de-sexing being done at that time, which is not the case.

According to their website: A dog/cat that is owned by a person or body that conducts a domestic animal business registered with Council. Where the dog/cat is used for breeding purposes in connection with that business. A Dangerous Dog that is kept for guarding non residential premises A Dangerous Dog that has under gone protection training A dog/cat that is the subject of written Veterinary advice that the health of the dog/cat is liable to be significantly prejudiced if it is desexed A dog or cat that is owned by a person who is a current member of an applicable organisation and the animal is registered with that organisation (proof must be provided of both owners and dog/cat membership at the time of registration) For some reason I hadn't thought of registering my dog with an organisation. I don't really plan to compete with her, so maybe that's why it didn't cross my mind. I think the simplest sollution is to get a vet to cite possible negative effects of early de-sexing with a recomendation to wait until an appropriate age.