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In Australia, they are just called Akita. No Inu. You have to be one of the most rude and condescending posters I have seen in a long time. Maybe it's just your style, but it's rude.

I can't believe you made her disturb the critters and get out of bed! How mean! hehe It's a very cute piccy and ten points for trying.

One of the broadest, most incorrect generalisations I've ever read ... I've got 3 sat here playing with me right now that are in perfect health and soundness, three for less than the price of one, three times the love and joy! I've had champion bred show stock all my life, they all scooped the pools in their puppy classes but, alas, all too soon the fully health tested, immaculately bred from supreme bloodlines, high falootin', who's up who & who's not paying the rent famous pups found their way to vet surgeries to finally be PTS despite all best efforts - 2 for hips (different breeders) and an Akita Inu for a congenital nerve condition that saw him having bouts of being completely paralysed. Oh and lets not forget his plethora of allergies and temperament issues (one of the breeder's Imp stud dogs tried to kill him) - $4k to buy him and probably just as much again, if not more, spent in trying to save him. Was the breeder interested in compensation, another pup, contribution towards vet bills? Not on your bloody life they weren't!!! They're the 3 cases that immediately spring to mind. All I'm saying is, buying any dog is the luck of the draw (having a good eye, commonsense, some knowledge and intuition goes a long, long way) and there's lots of factors that come in to it, not the least of which is nature and environment. I appreciate and understand that this is a pedigree dog forum and breeders are all dedicated to trying to do the right thing. However, there are none so blind as those who won't see, and narrow-mindedness, self-righteousness and relying on health tests as though they're some sort of gospel is just pure, unadulterated BS that all amounts to nothing when the shit hits the fan. ALL any buyer can hope for is the best of luck, be it their beloved pet comes from a reg'd breeder, a BYB or the gutter - my personal experience is that I've never had an ounce of trouble from my rescues or BYB, whereas ALL my issues, heartache, pain and expense have been incurred by pedigreed show dogs. That is all. If you dislike pedigree dogs and their breeders that much, I wonder at you being on a pedigree dog forum. LMFAO, what a puerile, ridiculous statement to make. What part of my posts were you unable to comprehend that caused you to arrive at that conclusion petal? How about .... none so blind as those who won't see, and narrow-mindedness, self-righteousness and relying on health tests as though they're some sort of gospel is just pure, unadulterated BS that all amounts to nothing when the shit hits the fan you're in a purebred dog forum. It's the rescue section so you won't get any arguments about how great our muttleys are but spitting on pedigree will get you nowhere. And belittling a highly esteemed rescuer who has seen the very worst of BYB is just exactly what you call: narrow minded. Fact is, BYB/accidental/puppyfarm/&just-one-litter or even "pure without papers" outnumber pedigree in the pounds, and in rescue and on the PTS lists. And as an added bonus BYB can get just as horrendously ill, I have the bills to prove it. Sorry but they are all dogs, they all have the potential to be unhealthy. Don't heap rubbish on people that are at least trying to avoid problems by running these apparently useless health tests or watching their breeding program for issues. Thank you dogmad and ditto...

That's great news about the big orgs getting in there to push for change! :crossfingers:

Hell no. That excludes half the people in rescue. IMHO "Success moving dogs on" is not the duty of a carer, more-so the rescue who is doing the promoting and vetting of applications. If someone is not what you'd approve to adopt a dog then don't give them fosters. Easy. eta: yes Ams I see the your point about temptation. :laugh:

(My highlights) Not true. Having an entire dog can go back to reasons of training, development and health. What is the "plethora" of health benefits to a dog for it being desexed? It won't get cancer of the organs removed, but what else? In one year we had 4 pyometra cases in a row. And another 2 borderline. A testicular cancer dog, and a double perineal hernia boy from an enlarged prostate. And I've lost count of the mammary tumours. Obviously they were all from pounds, so the 'responsible owner' bit doesn't count. But some part of their physical suffering could have been avoided had they just been desexed years before. As you'd know, my range of experience is limited to rescue and every single one should be desexed, that's the way it is. But one sweeping law to cover every single dog regardless? I can't see it happening. Microchipping is hard enough to enforce. Dogs are running around unchipped, unregistered and unvaccinated. eg: one small council rural council decided to promote responsible dog ownership after a nasty parvo outbreak with heavily discounted vaccinations. There is also access to subsidised desexing and cheap chipping. But the response to the cheap vaccinations was so stunningly bad. I mean if you can't even motivate people into stopping their puppies dying horribly then wtf.

yeahhhh along with the keyboard "rescue" crusaders that spam people oooh you must mean the ones who call me a dog killer for not supporting their cause.

Yes to more desexing. No to more laws that aren't enforced. While people can still source breeding stock courtesy of council impounds, FTGH and pet shops there's a whole lot of steps between where we are now and bringing in a compulsory desex law. Then there's the stray cats. No owner, nobody to take responsibility. They end up squished, feral or impounded, their babies distributed or released undesexed to keep the cycle going.

EARS! Love them T. They look like mischief already.

I don't know what the deal is either Bartok but have seen it said a bit like this: if you're giving your dog the traditional two weeks settling in/assessing and quarantine (mostly that's as near to keeping them from spreading germs around as manageable without an iso setup), then you're risking the lives of Urgent List dogs and contributing to high kill stats: and besides, people adopt from pounds all the time and take the dog straight to the park so why are you complaining. etc etc There's no way to dispute that except by sticking to what you know is right. A few months ago at a pet supply store, a new owner of a poundie arrived. The dog had been out maybe a week (?), they desexed but didn't opt to vaccinate (or quarantine obviously). I'm not sure why vets aren't explaining things like this either.

Hi Horrie! We seem to have a great response from stories, albums and videos that follow their progress from the pound and show off how easily an oldie can fit in. I think sometimes people imagine the seniors may have challenging health issues or are too set in their ways to adapt. But lots of photos and videos and updates really shows how great they are. This might mean setting up more photo space on the Dally Club site, building your own or ....taking advantage of facebook. I think with breed specific you'd do well there amongst dalmatian owners. :) Juice, your foster boy is a bit greyer, a bit slower but still going strong and loving life.

Yep, I'd expect a pee too. It's not been a normal month for everyone. Even the best most housetrained dogs can have an accident when stressed. I wouldn't say everything was ruined and that his training is out the window quite yet. You'll get a lot better toilet training advice from others here so my only input would be to stay calm and give them both more time. :)

Can you push it back in like a hernia? Still looks like one just not in the traditional spot. Maybe it's just a plain old cyst.

That is very sad. Pledging donations is so generous. xx

New charity and NFP commission on the way. ACNC Scallywags I believe there are snapshots gathered but posting them online would be a privacy issue? Or at least an issue for Troy. Not sure. But I'd say people will be careful about putting anyone's private experiences out there without permission.

how are they scamming? the money is used in some way to save dogs, regardless if we agree with their approach to it. Ask the rescues who have taken dogs on at the last minute after they've done the rounds of FB in the PR album -- gaining funds and support, then left on the PTS list. Don't be surprised that people call it a scam.

I happened to have the number the vet gave me to contact re microchips. I had planned to give the number to that. It's a petsearch number. The rescues I spoke to had also planned to double check the microchip details had they got the dog. Just reading back.........you mean rescues actually agreed in advance to handle found dogs if they came up?! Sorry TS I do think you're halfway to a good idea with a few amendments to take in the legal aspects but I'm off. This thread is too scary.

They probably do suffer terribly. That's not under dispute. And that's why rescues focus on helping poundies. :) Not wishing to continue an argument but: Do the loved pets who get 'found' and never go home suffer mental distress? And their owners? eta: I've already stated I think the stray kitten situation has been and will continue to be handled differently.

Oh I found what TS was referring to, it was on the VPB site. But the fine is referring to NOT delivering a found animal to the owner, an 'authorised officer' or pound. This ---> Strictly speaking, delivering an uninjured animal seized under the Companion Animals Act to a vet is an offence. must mean vets can refuse under the Act because they haven't applied for approval. Nothing actually stopping them but nothing to make sure the animal isn't sent home with the finder. I'm sorry but that is awful. That's a MASSIVE flaw in legislation.

No law against taking a healthy pet to the vet. :) There is just apparently no(?) statute that says they must help you with a found animal. And with that in mind I'd be telling people to take them to the pound for scanning! BTW beats me about breeding, I can barely find what I need to know about strays. :laugh:

That's where I'd be very careful. An ethical rescue will tell them to take a 'found' animal to a pound. A dodgy one won't. ;-) I can see room for you to assist with letting rescues know about these animals (for example, the finder will see temperament aspects etc) but you can't cut out impound altogether. And personally with the few surrenders I've taken the owner had all the documents to prove ownership/history and signed a surrender form and a change of owner. Sadly now everyone who has seen the ads has googled the numbers and could think that you and the rescuer are taking found pets. Not having a go, that's just the impression it gives. Happy for you to tell me I'm wrong. :)

So the first thing people do: take the stray to the local vet, could see the animal drop off the radar completely? eta: Sorry T, I don't want the thread to go off topic.

The second number belongs to a rescuer.

WANT!

That's exactly what I mean! Either they don't know the rules or we are assuming there is some kind of safety net protecting stray animals from ending up in someone's yard (or in rescue)