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They probably do suffer terribly. That's not under dispute. And that's why rescues focus on helping poundies. :) Not wishing to continue an argument but: Do the loved pets who get 'found' and never go home suffer mental distress? And their owners? eta: I've already stated I think the stray kitten situation has been and will continue to be handled differently.

Oh I found what TS was referring to, it was on the VPB site. But the fine is referring to NOT delivering a found animal to the owner, an 'authorised officer' or pound. This ---> Strictly speaking, delivering an uninjured animal seized under the Companion Animals Act to a vet is an offence. must mean vets can refuse under the Act because they haven't applied for approval. Nothing actually stopping them but nothing to make sure the animal isn't sent home with the finder. I'm sorry but that is awful. That's a MASSIVE flaw in legislation.

No law against taking a healthy pet to the vet. :) There is just apparently no(?) statute that says they must help you with a found animal. And with that in mind I'd be telling people to take them to the pound for scanning! BTW beats me about breeding, I can barely find what I need to know about strays. :laugh:

That's where I'd be very careful. An ethical rescue will tell them to take a 'found' animal to a pound. A dodgy one won't. ;-) I can see room for you to assist with letting rescues know about these animals (for example, the finder will see temperament aspects etc) but you can't cut out impound altogether. And personally with the few surrenders I've taken the owner had all the documents to prove ownership/history and signed a surrender form and a change of owner. Sadly now everyone who has seen the ads has googled the numbers and could think that you and the rescuer are taking found pets. Not having a go, that's just the impression it gives. Happy for you to tell me I'm wrong. :)

So the first thing people do: take the stray to the local vet, could see the animal drop off the radar completely? eta: Sorry T, I don't want the thread to go off topic.

The second number belongs to a rescuer.

WANT!

That's exactly what I mean! Either they don't know the rules or we are assuming there is some kind of safety net protecting stray animals from ending up in someone's yard (or in rescue)

Thank you! :) That's kind of the bit I can find too BUT some vets claim not to be an 'authorised officer' or 'approved premises' as in, they just say to the finders to take the animal home and call the pound when it opens. Which is not what I thought was supposed to happen. At some stage I heard that a vet HAS to hold a stray (chipped or unchipped) for collection by the ranger - or owner if they get there first I just can't find where it says they must. The interpretation of the legislation is too flexible, I am after something more concrete. Most of this takes place at the front counter. I've seen people sent home with strays - is it definitely legally incorrect? Or a loophole?

While we're here can anyone please help find the NSW legislative text saying you can't just take a stray home with you after having the vet check for a chip?

Oh dear. Playing with fire there. And what about the poundies? 2cents worth re kittens: Not being a cat rescue I'll just say I see the distribution of found kittens on FB too and you can (and I used to try) say what should be done but honestly I think it's been happening forever and will continue. Most unchipped and entire. Maybe the logic is to get them into rescue and vetworked before they produce more?

She looks amazing! <---- pre-Peiradise

No worries Cleo. Tibbie Pets Group Mita on Dol is a member. :-) I'll let her know.

Tibbies! Just so happens my mum owns two and I'm on the email list for TibbiePets if you want to email me anything for circulation. There's not an official Tib Rescue as far as I know but definitely a community of people who help their breed.

Bloody hell its no wonder its taking him so long then I asked him to do that for me too. ..... me too !! ETA: Of me, I mean, Julie .... not of you . I hope there's one of you getting a hug wrapped in the community quilt Erny. That was beautiful. :)

Is Mum in Australia? Pacers might be able to find a visitor who could pop in and walk or feed the older doggy. Long shot :) but if she's in my area (Newtown,Sydney) I'd be happy to do that. eta (I'm meaning no pressure, only if you feel she's up to keeping one) Pacers

oh my god that's awful. I'm so sorry. You must be beside yourself being so far away. Personally I'd rehome the younger immediately with the help of a rescue. And try to keep the elder one at home a while, the seniors aren't a whole lot of trouble and might give Mum some comfort.

Thank you again guys you are too sweet.

Heartfelt thanks guys. :o :) And congratulations to everyone. It was a lovely night. xxxx efs

yeah, wow, we're either irresponsibly rehoming or being too harsh. Adopters: Wouldn't you like to be informed beforehand that the dog you inquire about will (for example) tear up your apartment when you leave for a 12hr day? Howl if left alone in the yard? Require buckets more grooming/exercise/social interaction than what you realised? Terrorise your chooks? Shed their coat? Knock a toddler over because they are a doofus? Have no road sense? Or is too lazy to be your exercise partner? I'm sorry but responsible rescue doesn't just ignore the facts in front of them to get a dog into a home. We're only trying to help, not stop people owning pets! The only one who can advise you about what a dog is like to live with is the rescuer/carer. And it doesn't help that we also get the other side of the coin with constant requests from people who have made an inappropriate choice asking to surrender their pet. Hoarding :rofl: funny how that one gets thrown about.

How did scammers get lumped into discussion with reg breeders who sell online or interstate? They are worlds apart. The scammers are criminals, parasites who DO rip people off, playing on them being naive. The pups don't exist. Seriously, a person buys one pup every 16yrs and they are supposed to know all the latest rorts or who to ask? In an ideal world we'd all be savvy, and online classifieds would be more heavily edited. Scammers have the hide to email rescue as well, offering desirable litters, expensive equipment, donations or even adoption. It's disgusting.

David I saw the article about the GM sacking and Cr's receiving summonses. What does it all mean? Are the two things related?

Just a small general point but please, check your spam folders when emailing about doggies. :D

At least now you know your dog has expensive taste. :laugh: Lesson learned. I have to watch like a hawk if the pet supply places have open tubs of smoked dog bones (the toys are up on hooks). And would fully expect to buy anything that ended up in my dog's mouth.

I guess it wouldn't be such an issue if the pounds all had a desex package. With the rising costs of everything, the one thing (imho) Muttrus' topic illustrates is that when councils discuss that instituting across-the-board vetwork: might mean less dogs purchased (more PTS).... Doesn't seem to be a valid argument anymore? And as a side note: while at BP one day we saw a lovely pensioner couple adopt a dog who was already chipped, desexed etc when impounded. They were over the moon. :) Cryptic that's sad did they say why she was not eligible?