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I'm choking on the irony of that quote. Now a pound is doing 'something', PR will do 'nothing'. What a massive tanty. I've no sympathy for a group who has bullied and badgered so many. I'll leave out the vicious personal attacks levelled at us as individuals. But most people aren't aware that Melanie Norman registered and Incorporated the name of Pound List (and all possible versions of the domain name) so it couldn't be used here on DOL as it had been for years on behalf of the dogs impounded - with no personal gain and largely anonymously. Why? All because we gave her a hard time about altering temp notes and using vols photos to scab money with while other groups took the dogs in. PR now disagrees with a pound trying to get a little control back on what happens to their dogs? Funny about that. Or are they disagreeing with not being able to leave dogs sitting there for weeks and weeks while a big plea is run on FB? This has been coming for a long time and we're fortunate there hasn't been a harsher measure taken that makes rescuing almost impossible. 5 unrehomeable dogs PTS in such a high intake pound is still "No Kill" in the true meaning. How dare they use those 5 lives as a power play.

I agree with assessing but some breeds present very poorly in a pound environment. Is there discretion on a per dog basis or a straight out red mark against the dog? What are they testing for exactly?

Bingo. We packed our bags and left which has been fantastic for us and our supporters. It's an unhealthy impersonal environment and a distraction that takes more from you and the dogs than it gives back. ETA pet peeve: rescuers sticking their head into their rescue page photos wtf is that, get out of the way we'd rather see the dog LOL

Cute - we can do that but I think we can do better than that as well so its not just a band aid. But I need more info. hehe I just mean so the first few on board are pre-armed with something. ;-) Keeps morale up when you have a couple of successes at the start.

Steve maybe you could chuck in a few foster carer courses too? :)

This is just my personal thinking, because I wouldn't have the foggiest about what's involved with such a large number of animals but they'll get the best applicant to assist with foster carers if people know upfront how much work is required, and have agreed policies to run with. They may get very well meaning people offer but it's going to take more than good intentions to run a program like that. A couple of groups have quite widespread foster networks maybe they could help with setting out e.g. number of hours, number of manageable carers per co-ord, policy re vetwork and extending the vet clinics available further away from the shelter (so that carers aren't taking dogs in as private clients at non rescue rates), adoption protocol away from the shelter...that kind of thing. So Moorook can call for a volunteer foster Co-ord in a business style advert and choose the most appropriate. Anyone have that stuff handy? :)

Victoria from memory but that was aaaaages ago so who knows if they are still around. For some bizarre reason one showed up in Canterbury Pound a few yrs back. Black broken coat, docked too I think but long like a GSP, not short like a silky . Even chipped dogs can be wrongly identified but I've never seen another like it except on Patterdale/Fell breeders sites.

That sounds like a terrier with a strong ratting instinct. They just can't hear you, nothing exists except that rat. Any other boring day they'll happily stick like glue and come when called. I didn't realise greys could fatally injure themselves.

Is this every state, and does it apply to non-race bred greys? I thought that was the case, but there is a grey in my local dog park that is always off-lead, muzzle-free with no special identification so I wondered if maybe it wasn't. I'm inner west too and noticed the same thing. Everyone I've asked is under the impression that 'greyhounds don't have to wear muzzles anymore'. But they aren't wearing GAP collars.

It's not the fact that it's a different point of view. Maybe you missed the bit where he called pro rescue/pound desexing people misguided amateurs. Pose a theory in a reasonable manner and you might get a sensible answer.

No, population control is dependent on the the number of reproducing females. Steralising males is practically irrelevent. Castration anxiety.

Expression of interest DD. I gather before impound is done you can place an EOI. If it's after due date the animal can go immediately after processing. Hence 'for immediate sale' :) IMHO yes it's fair & such a big improvement from the tenders, and they do full adoption vetwork now too.

God yes you'd have to be athletic! I saw my first really angry brown snake in Canberra and must have broken the sound barrier getting the hell away from it No wonder you're on patrol.

We always had Red Bellies around the place as kids. Nobody ever got bitten (animals included) and they didn't seem to be interested in anything except getting the best sunbaking spot. I actually thought they were quite shy. Maybe it was just the population in that area? Even the chooks were only lost to foxes or hawks...and one particularly hungry diamond python who pigged out so badly he couldn't escape the coop without help. eta: do they eat brown snakes or is that a myth?

You can't win :laugh: rescue always gets the pointy end of the stick. Reminds me of Everybody, Somebody, Nobody, Anybody

That's kind of where I'm at with kenneling and what I got from Greytmates post. They need a higher level of everything the longer they are there. And cared for properly, can live happily as many do in racing or breeding facilities. If you're running on a shoestring and struggling to do the minimum then unrehomeables are not going to have a quality of life at all. Or somebody is missing out while the resident high maintenance animals drain resources. "No-kill" -- I'm just completely over hearing it. Because people interpret the slogan as gospel. Therefore rescues/pounds must be evil when a dog is PTS and it becomes a life at all cost argument. (Oh but nobody protesting happens to want that dog in their home.) Again, haven't seen this shelter so no comment there. Just in general.

Good luck girls.

They used to be the 1 woman $50 no vet work place and as far as I could see had made a huge change in that regard. I've not seen or heard anything of the shelter so can't comment on what's happened now.

Good luck Larissa, I hope she doesn't get worse as she grows and just stays a little special. Sorry too Gillbear. It's so unfair.

Yes, I cared for a little chi baby with hydrocephalus. Canine Neurologist explained the progression of the condition and that basically no outcome is perfect although some dogs do live with it forever depending on the severity and malformation of the skull. When they are so young (like 5wks) it's hard to tell exactly how badly they will be affected as they grow. Shunt operations aren't successful, and even in perfect cases the shunt can still block. Some dogs are so mildly affected nobody notices, these dogs, if bred from can pass it along. Signs in pups are screaming fits and uncontrolled aggression, ataxia, trouble balancing/walking, vision impairments/blindness, difficulty eating and failure to meet developmental stages etc. There is an odd set of the eyes where they aren't pointing straight ahead, more down and outwards. This gets worse if there is pressure behind the eyes or increasingly wonky skull growth. I was hugely concerned with the pain factor. However her version of the condition was not painful. Everything else though, it was too much. My girl was a beautiful little thing, I still wish she was still here but she had to be let go. It's a heartbreaking condition. I'm sorry you have signs of it. Fingers crossed it's not.

And how exactly do you suggest councils and shelters pay for vasectomies? My understanding is that the procedure is far more expensive. Shelter staff are not misguided nor amateurs, I have met the most incredible shelter staff from all over the country. Have you ever worked or volunteered in a shelter? I gather not from your comments, perhaps you should, either that or keep your stupid misguided comments to yourself! And the vets, they are amateurs as well remember Nic. We're clearly up against rock solid logic. I hope you now doubt the evidence of your own eyes.

Yikes why do things need to be so intellectual. Things that look great on paper like there's no oversupply of dogs......break it down and there absolutely is an oversupply of certain types of dogs. Or maybe just an undersupply of storage while they're waiting for the homes that facts tell us are out there. Desexing, fine some people own entire dogs that's their business. Rescue: apart from the fact that all the big name welfare organisations have been doing it since forever, it's still regarded as the bare minimum for a reason. Such as the list above by Christina. Then there's the surprise news that we don't all live in a happy clappy no-kill land majority populated by proactive animal lovers. So leave that bull arab female entire when you rehome her, with no oversupply of dogs those 12 babies will be fine right? Of course, evidence/proof/studies and stats said so. And I can find a couple of greyhounds around somewhere, no reason to desex, they seem so popular!

Sheridan. re PDF: They took two dogs but she only wanted one back is that the story or am I reading it wrong?

First thing I thought of was someone sent in to have a look. Rescue attracts all sorts. Yes I've felt we were being 'checked out' before. No inclination to do anything except visit the dog immediately which just isn't the way we do things. Put simply, no matter what you do in life you can't keep having numerous strangers or even 'colleagues' visit your home without getting a nutter, a liar, a gossip or a crook. It's a matter of odds.

This old thread had a link sas :) GRAS