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Exactly! Somehow I missed the explanation Self explanatory I guess and probably the only thing they could really justify. A service which was always done by PR volunteers anyway. Perth. Yay for the rest of Aus. Bargain Something done by rescues ... and I'll be pissed off when my advice about a pet I rescued, rehabilitated, treated by my vets and lived in my home; is ignored in favour of a generic handbook. Busting myths? Do people need to read the handbook before they apply or after? And generate more income from us and our pets. The site rebuild has been a roaring success. This makes no sense. They did or are ? setting up a way to pay adoption fees online. What else?

As previously stated; WTF http://us1.campaign-...d=274bce6cea&e= So who exactly are they raising money for?? Pet Rescue. $10 - gives the impression they are shouting us a listing with support services whatever that is. Support services provided by volunteers? Free air-transport provided by jetpets? Free food donated by pet food companies? $30 - no idea. Photos? Better description? Provided by unpaid volunteers? $100 - they will share our pets to their own free social media accounts? Not bad $ for a few clicks. Especially considering a volunteer does it already if you ask. $250 - eh? No idea. Once a free care guide is created it costs nothing. Are sponsors going to be expected to keep giving? Will the $250 provide useful information? $500 - again; what? Don't they get enough corporate sponsorship or have thousands left over from their last $60,000 project? $1000 - Free money. Because PR users interested in matchmaking do it already and those who are uninterested won't do it anyway.

2 or 120. Those conditions aren't good enough. I'm constantly mystified at the actions of RSPCA and councils. A showie lady with some debarked dogs gets crucified and meanwhile nothing is done about these dogs for years because they have food, shelter and water.

No I wasn't meaning you in particular but accusations of false advertising and taking donations by deception do have the agencies that deal with these things. ASIC and the ACCC would be a good start. Anyway - not my business and this sort of thing usually works for the business rather than against them. They will probably gain more supporters due to this than they will loose. Cool, thanks Steve. I'm trying to stay on topic which for me, isn't about staff getting paid and suchlike. You can't run a large org on fresh air and sunshine but I wholeheartedly object to the unnecessary skimming of the finite income available to their valuable rescue members. We have our own worth and value as a key resource to them. Giving us free food they were donated and setting up low cost things like yellow pages and adoption days (only useful to certain groups), using the press as advertising for themselves; and then pretty much charging us for the privilege by using our membership rubs me up the wrong way when they can source funds elsewhere. Stats for direct donations to them leapt with the website rebuild which would be a direct result of hitting up new subscribers via their sign-up emails as pointed out by Shel.

No Kirsilin that's Shel ex-Pet Rescue. I would never put myself in a video LOL

ASIC If you're meaning me? I don't think you've understood a thing I'm saying. Or listened to the video IN FULL compared to Shel's previous post which I've used as an example of whatever is going on with the brand a nation of rescues are associated with. Nothing to do with ASIC. Same as listing a bunch of pound dogs on FB and asking for money to save them. But not physically touching them or rescuing them with said money. All above board, accounted for, just a bit blurry because people don't read the fine print. But the dogs get exposure and adoption and rescue eventually so it's all ok. 2 Examples of PR being as clear as mud in the eyes of the public. My link My link video reference 4.20

Maritime Pine Bark Extract. You may be able to source it at a local naturopath/herbalist business. I find McDowell's a little dear for the amount you get. It's not one of their combination mixtures, it's a single ingredient with a long history and I've always got some in the cupboard, even for something as small as Kennel Cough. I'm so sorry about your girl.

No we don't have access to the same if you've gone through the grants system and corporate sponsorship availability we aren't eligible for a huge slice. You are very welcome to prove me wrong by applying for a few and see how far you get. Actually, anyone who can wade through the paperwork and successfully compete in a very competitive field then bravo. But don't think that if you just put all your effort in, that something will come of it. Irrelevant. And not ridiculous. Our animals drive traffic to the site. Our input is valuable and is not treated as such. Unless you are suggesting that by staying small, we have less rights to question because it's our own fault? BTW when you sign up as a member you agree that if you are not already an entity or some variety of non-profit, or you are working towards it. Eh? Odd comments but Gumtree is free too. But they make money from ad-space and selling stats. They also promote themselves via advertising and would be up there with largest free online classifieds. But they don't take a cut and they encourage users to advertise on their site because listings drive traffic to the site. If they choose to go into philanthropy they still won't be charging a fee to advertise. Really? So you're fine with a commercial business (call it a charity) who has the ability to raise their revenue elsewhere skimming extra off the top just because we use their service for free? People think they are donating to RESCUE. It's in the name. And now they are doing their own rescue too which not long ago they were asking for donations for. Tell me that isn't confusing. And our pets are the face of each donation button. It appeared out of the blue on the site rebuild. You tell us to try harder for donations for funding. Why don't PR try harder? Then they won't need to piss off their support base; which is rescue by the way. Seeing as how at last count there 10,710 pets from 974 rescue groups. Again, it's a 'Suck it up Princess'. We use the site for free and it's our own fault for pointing out that every dollar they take is one more dollar we have to make up elsewhere. We began linking to our donation page to each pet the moment the PR donation button popped up. Anyone here complaining about their programs? I've not seen one. And of course Shel was involved that's half the point of post 1. Additionally, no pro bono service or legal funds were available to me when myself and my org were getting dragged through the shit. We're small. As above, we don't have access to the same things because of my 'ridiculous' decision to stay manageable within our goals. Dogzonline make income not from the forum or the breeder listings. Forum posts, shows, results, breeders and a whole lot of factors; all drive traffic here. Making the business viable. Just because it's not a charity or touchy feely rescue stuff would you be ok throwing a few bucks in the kitty or pay for forum use when Dogz needs to make legal moves or would you say; your business, your responsibility. Just earn yourself more money or let it go. That remains to be seen. Like DOL, there's been attempts to set up an alternative and none have really flown.

Yes! :) All of these. Except for the pushups. I love the sound of that, please tell me more.

http://rescuedpets.com.au/

Why is that? I can't speak to petrescue but I know that I am very careful to make sure that all of my listings about my foster dogs are very honest and that the owners know exactly what faults the dogs have. We also give a lifetime guarantee on all of our foster dogs and will take the dog back and personally (as foster carers) refund the the adoption fee (as our rescue group only refund if the two week trial period fails). Or is there something else behind the scenes about the arrangements between the rescues and petrescue? As carers, we don't have visibility of the back end, we are just given details of how to create listings. Nothing interesting behind the scenes It's in the Terms Of Use that PR aren't responsible for anything. But will take credit I'm not sure what Sheridan means but there's always been iffy advertising on PR because it's a marketing platform with plenty of 'real estate speak' - particularly of dogs who should never be placed into a home.

I don't care if they get paid. Couldn't give a rats. I care that some of their income comes from people believing that donating to Pet Rescue the business is the same as donating to one of the tiny rescues who use their service. Tiny rescues who don't get paid and never will. Or don't want to grow into an unwieldy business. PR are eligible for govt grants, private grants and corporate sponsorship which the bulk of us are ineligible for and that is where they should be focussing on generating their income, not from the (lets face it) the small pool of private donations small rescues do compete over. I care that there are legal rumblings, pro-bono or not it still costs time and money and I don't believe many of the "950+" members would regard that as appropriate use of resources. Nor that we are now de-facto participants or an excuse to protect the PR Brand. In return for being able to use their site for free, we have no say and cannot even question the small things like a donation button on every single one of our listed pets. Basically it's; suck it up Princess and if you don't like it, there's the door. And the rescues who have been in the position to walk have done exactly that.

Very interesting Mrs RB! :)

No readymade alternative really. We only put the most basic on a profile stuff with a link to our website for full profiles. Most inquiries now come via the website rather than PetRescue. Other groups have left completely but it's harder work and I don't know if a huge group could do it without a huge upheaval. Like I said, we work for them now. Not the other way around.

That would be one of the sticky areas of IP. Say I decided to leave my own rescue and take everything I've done with me which would be website, domains, emails, graphics/images, records; the lot. As a legal entity my org has a right to claim IP and make moves to stop me damaging their interests. I could argue as founder that stuff is all mine, created and paid for by me. They could go at me for lost funds, something that is clearly measurable. On and on and on. Then the lawyers would have to fight it out. I would probably lose.

They are a charity. But like a lot of charities, once you get large enough you can allow for wages and office space, expenses etc. Completely legal. ACNC has the records of all registered charities. All set out like this My link I guess the sum of legal expenses in this rush to claim exclusive rights, will be included on the EOFY report. A ridiculous waste of time and energy and donated funds which I doubt will come out of the employee pockets. It's always possible a pro-bono arrangement has been made. But it's still laughable, and a red flag in the direction PR will be taking from hereon out.

Yep! It was all there long ago. Long before she quit. And you wouldn't believe the arrogance of the current lot when they are challenged. I'm surprised our account wasn't suspended when I poked them with a stick over a preachy misleading newsletter. Same as when Shel was their mouthpiece. Their response was approx; You're reading things into it that aren't there and don't understand. We work for all rescues. etc etc Oh and I just heard; all the food donations went out. I guess our email got lost.

Saving Pets FB Discussion

Not sure if anyone remembers my thread asking about the donation grab? Well here's the outcome. Pet Rescue no longer works for us. We work for them. Response from the last time I asked.

No it doesn't.

Ingredients compare with VitaPet brand and Excelpet and generic Canine Allwormer. So don't worry at all, it's like a lot of things. Same product, different box. I'm always curious about how much profit on things actually go to the charity but in this case it's confidential information.

There's already restrictions on NSW 16D i.e. the group that holds it uses it for their own rescuing. One tiny group claims to have rescued 500 animals....except they only ever had around 50. The rescue is Clause sharing. I've been waiting and waiting for any kind of change. It won't come from within the rescue/welfare/advocate system that's for sure. Using the word Rescue garners the trust & respect of the public. Calling for change or scrutiny has to come from the public otherwise it's labeled 'rescue politics'. But the public trust Rescue. It's a catch 22

You get no argument from me and clearly rescue isn't as easy as many think it is - seems dogs are suffering longer at the hands of several of them and its an area that needs to be addressed however, Id rather listen to what the council and RSPCA is saying which is "hang on be patient" we are onto it than take even a single scrap of notice of reports from O.L. Yes it's hugely complicated in between RSPCA, council, owners, pounds, pound-co ords... transporters could be of help too. I'm sure donors will be after blood when they see where their hard earned money went and that a brand new group appeared with none of these dogs included. And the rescue groups who released some of these dogs and sent them there need to step up as well and take dogs back!! To their credit OL are clearly explaining the law and due process that must be followed amongst the info released but they can't control what their supporters say. No mention of whether they trespassed to get the footage or if neighbours cooperated. That would be a police matter.

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