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Sars that is a 'naming names' :laugh: you'll have to edit.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/oscars-law-demands-action-on-dogs-chained-at-blind-bight-property/news-story/160abf0bf118b3f00d411ad371d81e11 ETA: mmmm hope its ok the post this link http://cranbournenews.starcommunity.com.au/news/2016-04-22/shots-fired-in-blind-bight/ No identifying names. Should be ok. :)

Apologies for the silly question. Breeders; if a dog is sold for breeding like this one is, it's on the mains register yes? So is it regarded as worse (or grounds for a warning from their registering body) for a wonky faulty dog to be on a main register or is it just left to the breeder's discretion and that's all?

Yep the whole things is a mess.

Thank you. :) Sorry for the vagueness.

That's them. Sorry. They've been found on a property pretty much left to themselves apart from being fed, after their rescue left town. I was more interested in getting the dogs identified if anyone recognises them. Or share if you like, wherever would behelpful. You never know. There are also dogs that were sent from pounds. Thankfully they will be chipped, but once a dog is sent over the border it goes on a different registry which is how pound dogs can leave the state and kind of vanish. Chipped pound dogs are being followed up but it takes time.. If a dog has been surrendered then having no chip won't help unless the owner sees them. A couple have been identified though which is great. :) No idea if any were stolen, that would need to be confirmed by the original owners. I can't say a lot on DOL because Troy needs to not be involved and will have to take the thread down.

Thought it best to put here as the rescue section is pretty much dead. But I was asked to post. So I'm talking Oscar's Law here sorry, but this needs to get more coverage. More details of the full story have been posted naming names, which you can read if you feel inclined but I'm only interested in sharing the album in case anyone can identify or has seen one of these dogs on FB groups and pages relating to pound release and transport or on FTGH / Lost/ Stolen dogs. Please don't name anyone or their rescue because the thread will have to be removed. Request mods remove if you feel this is inappropriate. No hard feelings. :) Dogs in album; (partially derailed by arguments about chaining) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1298216046873232.1073741880.135173789844136&type=3

Same. Left at 17 and owned 'my' first dog other than family dogs. Worked full time. 6 - 7 days a week. Not sure what your point is about being shot down in flames. It's as much about changing and evolving your life as it is about hours out of home. The people who contact us because they don't have time for the dog anymore. Are moving. Had kids. Neighbour complaints. Boredom/destructive. Got a new dog. Landlord orders. WTF can I do?? Pet started with good intentions but not the reality of 15yrs. BTW Everywhere I've lived has had backyard yard dogs who bark all day. All friday and saturday night. And some, all sunday. Lights out, nobody home. And I still believe small companion breeds should not be made to live outdoors. Not apologising for that.

My dogs are left outside all day if i am not home. they just sleep, and enjoy the sun, Bark at the postman and resume sleeping. But report me to the rspca for their terrible lives ;) They are a companion breed, but they are also dogs. Yeh but Denali - you're in Q where your days (generally) aren't as cool as the OPs. And you have three for company and you're an experienced owner. Thank you! I'm assuming you're taking the piss denali. We've had the same thread a year ago and the OP was advised on breeds. And was given some appropriate advice for the information provided. Including from you. Although things have changed again we're still talking about a very young person just out of high school. And the new dog was going to be indoors and a 'constant companion', but that has changed to outside in VIC alone in the cold and heat ..(all night?). OP already had a pug but gave it away due to almost moving overseas. But didn't move. So; Realistically how many hours per day will the dog be in range of their owner. When will the dog be allowed inside. Will the dog be sleeping outside at night. Will the parents do backup when owner is away. How into the idea are the parents/homeowners/people who pay for everything/final say. What happens over the next 15yrs to guarantee this companion breed gets everything it needs when things change so much for a young person and already have. Shoot me. I would never ever place a dog into that story. But plenty will. This thread has much more going on than just focussing on the hours away from home.

If I get a puppy, I would get one when I have holidays for 2-3 weeks, so I can train the puppy. Even if I decide to go for an elder dog, what breed would you suggest? I was thinking of a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. No way to ever leaving a cav or other little companion breed outside all day and into the night. It's inappropriate and in my opinion, unkind. Agreeing with Dame Aussie. You may want a dog but that's different to being ready for one.

I know rescue doesn't count, 1 dog = $1500 just last week. But my own dogs, really quite fit touch wood. They've had good lives and haven't reached the age where things start getting steeper. Most expenses go on food and some on fleas. My poor cat though only to lose him to lymphoma too young.

:( They look so powerful to me. And the ravens with their knife beaks look even bigger and stronger.

Norway is a great example of legislation gone stupid. Whatever your or my views are on desexing, it's ridiculous. Docking and ear cropping .. not my field but when docking was still legal I saw BYB botched jobs that were nasty. Was it supposed to be done by a vet under anaesthetic like desexing is?

Jerry is gorgeous! Looks like he's come a long way with your hard work.

I'm no help but that is so sweet. :)

Clever :) I think you'd have to be doing a full time Phd to gather 10 - 15yrs of stats together and come out with something close to accurate, and then assume that 5yrs later all of it would need updating. It's not all that popular but quite realistic to say that certain breeds attract certain people because it's usually in the context of 'tough' bull breeds and that topic has been done to death. Attack statistics are incomplete because not everything is reported and as far as dog to human; a scratch is enough to set off a menacing dog complaint. Then where was the dog. Who did it bite. What did it bite. How serious was it. And how many of them were around at the time the study was done. Both bite and dumping have human factors that are multiple; there's the popularity thing. Paris Hilton stage saw a massive spike in pound chihuahuas, movies like Balto set off a whole lot of sibes going to inappropriate homes, pet store white fluffies bought in haste sitting impounded alongside the BYB staffy cross, pigging areas always will have a huge oversupply of bull arab. Labradors because people seem to forget that they are still a large dog who needs managing. My city area is right into oodles and frenchies at the moment. Not sure where all the large brindle pound looking crosses dogs have gone from a few years ago. Past fads have all had their turn for example cavaliers, blue anything, rottie, pomeranian. You see the numbers go up and down. Frenchy and brachy are up next. Then there's the 'dumping' aka reason for being impounded which has hundreds of factors from; mismatched homes, strays & unclaimed dogs that seem to come from nowhere, unwanted; abandoned in the yard or park, dog abandoned at vet or boarding, stolen dogs showing up years later, tying the dog to the pound gate, seizure due to attack, seizure due to cruelty/neglect, owner jailed. To the truly heartbreaking. Homelessness, family breakdown, mental collapse, spousal abuse, drug abuse, going to nursing home. Death. We're leaving out the dogs who don't get dumped but handed from home to home; having more than one in their lifetime. Point is, something so complex and nationwide can't be summed up easily. Hence the long reply :laugh:

Thank you Scootaloo. :) I don't want to post anonymously so all my info is here and Willem, using the safety of a private forum profile is the first person ever, to drag my team and site content in for a kicking. edit; Maddy

I'd like to point out that I did in fact post in the spirit of forum discussion. What got me into trouble is laughing at Maddy's post and since then I've been belted. Even my rescue has been dragged in. You know me better than to think I won't respond to that kind of shit.

Slow day at the office.

Crap. You want inflammatory take a look at post 1. If you're worried about people being put off by the other dolers, you're looking at the wrong end of the dog. well, looking at something from a different angle is all part of a holistic in nature approach, isn't it :) ? We've been through that. Grow up, go back to class. Learn how to read and learn how to express yourself without trolling.

Crap. You want inflammatory take a look at post 1. If you're worried about people being put off by the other dolers, you're looking at the wrong end of the dog.

:laugh: I totally love you Maddy. Hitler is dead, but his morbid ideologies wrt dissidents seems to live for ever... Eta: ...that might be actually the real cause why it is so hard to change things for the better.... Godwin's Law!! :rofl: ..yeah, pretty funny...not...you should work for Trump...he will appreciate your ideas he can implement then for Mexicans and Muslims once he is in charge.... Oh god it just keeps getting better!

:laugh: I totally love you Maddy. Hitler is dead, but his morbid ideologies wrt dissidents seems to live for ever... Eta: ...that might be actually the real cause why it is so hard to change things for the better.... Godwin's Law!! :rofl:

This does nothing to reduce the amount of dogs in rescue… as long as there on dogs on this planet there will be dogs in rescue. Why? Because people, for the most part exploit animals for dollars and think of animals as disposable items. Change that and we just might have a chance…..Higher registration fees for undesexed animals is nothing more than revenue raising. True it doesn't effectively prevent the poor buggers ending up on death row. Apparently (going by the dogs and cats impounded), mandatory microchipping isn't even able to be enforced so there's a lot of animals running around with barely a vaccine in them. But a registered dog is much cheaper to get out of the pound than an unregistered one. If you don't want to pay rego and can't or won't make arrangements to pay higher fees to get out your unregistered dog out, it's cheaper to get a new dog and leave the other - yes that happens a lot particularly in poor socio economic areas. (And at holiday time when boarding is costly) There are free and discount desexing programs for low income families; lowering the price of rego, lowering reclaim fees and preventing more litters. Pity the offer isn't taken up by the ones who really should. Revenue raising, probably, but then someone still has to pay for the cleanup facilities so where is the revenue going to come from? Fee and ratepayers also pay for things like rangers to catch strays and nice parks for us to walk our dogs in. A decent owner pays what they need to as just another of the many expenses of having a pet but are within their rights to have a grumble about it.

Tell me exactly where have you been called unethical? Because that's your choice. You have a choice here, it's not Norway. Others have a choice too. And charging extra is a mere encouragement to desex because it costs all rate payers (even the ones with no pets) money for every single unwanted dog that gets impounded, fed, then euthanised and disposed of. Just going by your list, you clearly aren't aware or are just confused to think that reasons can be quantified. For someone so keen on throwing in google links to everything your list of reasons is a glaring assumption based on your limited experience and knowledge of anything other than your own dog and what you read on the internet. Well good for you. Bravo, I'll have to take your word for it. And there are plenty of statistics and reports because everyone is an expert on google. However stats can be manipulated and I wouldn't call any of them truly 'reliable' on either side of the fence. You've got to be f***ing kidding. That's the most atrocious piece of nonsense you've ever written and that's saying a lot. Pure ignorance and as per usual; insulting. Dogs are dying. Every minute of every day. Going by your theory lets just close down rescue and pounds for 6 months and see the market regulate itself. That'll work for sure. Clever you. :vomit: I've had to explain this little gem of desexing wisdom before when you've popped in with unsolicited comments designed to frighten people for what reason? Do you really care or is it just about making the atmosphere in every thread go sour and railroad it to your soap box? So far this whole post is just a bizarre ramble when nobody has called you or anyone else unethical. In fact, YOU are the one to frequently criticise and belittle people who choose to desex. YOU are the one who takes every opportunity to make it clear that people who do desex are the irresponsible ones. Again, random comment referring to 'studies' when there a billion out there that'll back up whatever you like. Norway's system is just as mental as trying to enforce mandatory desexing. And where are your govt reports to further enlighten us on Norway's decision to remove the basic right as a pet owner to make a decision for your own animal? Tripe. Again, another example of you looking down on and belittling those who choose to desex as lazy and irresponsible. Amen! In the years of desexing hundreds of pets I'm yet to see anything negative related to neutering except for the entire ones who arrive with testicular or mammary cancers, hernias and pyometra. And in comparison with the life and death situation thousands of impounded BYB dogs and cats find themselves in there is not enough stats, research and reports in the world to comfort me that their parent dogs had really nice owners and won't get hemangiosarcoma. I don't give two shits if it was an 'oops' one-off crossbreed litter from a great home. If you truly cared about being an actual human being and not feeding into the cycle of death down the generations then microchip, vaccinate and desex all those pups before they go anywhere. Don't contribute to the next generation. In short, everyone regards themselves as good/responsible pet owners. Everyone! We all have our own individual definition as well. I'm ambivalent to most except the cruel, neglectful or those contributing (even just once) to the thousands of pound dogs and cats. Oh, and owners of females sitting in backyards quietly dying of pyo and mammary cancer ---- but at least it's not the 'severe health risks' a desexed dog would face should their irresponsible, lazy, uncaring owner trying to save a buck on rego actually be so barbaric as to do it!