Trisven13 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) A registered breeder in Melbourne has asked me to put a post up on DOL to see if anyone might have a surrogate mother in the Melbourne area for 3 GSP puppies born today. Its not definite that she needs it at the moment but if someone has a possible surrogate that I can refer her on to please let me know. I don't know any more details as yet other than that they were born this morning. ETA - have more details - the bitch had a c-section this morning and doesn't want anything to do with the pups. She'd love some suggestions on what she can do to help. She doesn't know how to tube feed but even if she did it won't help her as she works 4 days a week. Edited August 31, 2011 by Trisven13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMaddy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Tried to pm you but you're not receiving any new pms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underfoot Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 After a c-section it can take a couple of days for a bitch to realise she has had puppies and her hormones go banana's. I wish the best for your friend and just keep faith in the bitch as they usually will come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMaddy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 My girls' breeders had a bitch who tried to have a go at hers after a caesar. They sedated her as a last resort and she ended up accepting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 took Fern 3 days to totally accept her first litter, would feed them with me there but nothing else. On the 3rd day she was suddenly in love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 A registered breeder in Melbourne has asked me to put a post up on DOL to see if anyone might have a surrogate mother in the Melbourne area for 3 GSP puppies born today. Its not definite that she needs it at the moment but if someone has a possible surrogate that I can refer her on to please let me know. I don't know any more details as yet other than that they were born this morning. ETA - have more details - the bitch had a c-section this morning and doesn't want anything to do with the pups. She'd love some suggestions on what she can do to help. She doesn't know how to tube feed but even if she did it won't help her as she works 4 days a week. Muzzle is the best option as you cannot watch her 24/7 without falling apart. Rescue Remedy ++++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzapug Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Hold her down, re-assure her, it doesnt take much colostrum for the babies to be full...but definately takes a few days for the milk to come down...I dont think a surogate would be any good as the puppies need the colostrum for the anti-bodies from their mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sure puppies need colostrum but they need milk to live and its better to be with a surrogate than die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzapug Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sure puppies need colostrum but they need milk to live and its better to be with a surrogate than die. Any puppy only gets colostrum for the first few days regardless of whether they were free whelped or had a c section...and they dont die...what a stupid thing to say BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 It is pretty normal for a maiden bitch that has a caesar, to not accept the puppies for a few days or even up to week. This is one of the tough parts of breeding where the breeder needs to be there constantly with mum and babies until she accepts the puppies. Your friend will need to take time off work or organise someone else to to be there until things settle down. In the mean time she needs to hold the bitch down (muzzle if necessary) and allow the puppies to feed. The breeder will also need to toilet the babies if the bitch won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Sure puppies need colostrum but they need milk to live and its better to be with a surrogate than die. Any puppy only gets colostrum for the first few days regardless of whether they were free whelped or had a c section...and they dont die...what a stupid thing to say BB It was not a stupid thing to say. If they mother eats the pups they are dead full stop. Its better to go with an accepting surrogate than risk the pups lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzapug Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 It is pretty normal for a maiden bitch that has a caesar, to not accept the puppies for a few days or even up to week. This is one of the tough parts of breeding where the breeder needs to be there constantly with mum and babies until she accepts the puppies. Your friend will need to take time off work or organise someone else to to be there until things settle down. In the mean time she needs to hold the bitch down (muzzle if necessary) and allow the puppies to feed. The breeder will also need to toilet the babies if the bitch won't do it. Exactly this. ....if not then the breeder shouldnt have bred the litter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsun Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Find an experienced person to show her how to tube feed...regardless of whether the bitch had a section or any other situation, this is a skill that in my opinion, every breeder should be able to do with competancy. BTW, love the holier than thou attitude of some....jeeze...simple question here..no wrong answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 for feeding ....We have used a muzzle .. a soft plastic weave one ... lots of reassurance .. and ... for bonding - a bit of the bitch's discharge applied to puppies'backs ...makes 'em smell like her ..and a bit less like aliens . Also when we toileted them.. gave her the tissues to sniff /wipe a little onto her nose .often then , reflexes kick in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 Thanks for the help guys - its all been passed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerzeit Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I echo much of what's been said - muzzle if needed, full supervision while the babies are on her, restraining the bitch if needed, and lots of rescue remedy! Feonix didn't have a ceaser, but she was a maiden and was aggressive to the pups initially. It took a couple of days of constant supervision, and restraining her while the pups were feeding for her to come around, but she did come around. I now have the opposite problem - she's so ridiculously patient with them that she won't tell them off when they try to feed (they are now just over 5 weeks old), which isn't making weaning very easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilaryo Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I echo much of what's been said - muzzle if needed, full supervision while the babies are on her, restraining the bitch if needed, and lots of rescue remedy! Feonix didn't have a ceaser, but she was a maiden and was aggressive to the pups initially. It took a couple of days of constant supervision, and restraining her while the pups were feeding for her to come around, but she did come around. I now have the opposite problem - she's so ridiculously patient with them that she won't tell them off when they try to feed (they are now just over 5 weeks old), which isn't making weaning very easy Totally agree with you Allerzeit. IMO pups need to be feeding from mum which produces the hormone to help with her mothering instincts. Restrain her and put the pups on and hopefully she'll come around in a couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdoubleJ Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) We had the opposite with Teagan . She was so protective of her babies that we had to muzzle her to even get near them! Lasted a couple of days and we just took it very slowly with her and she came right. This was with her first litter born naturally. 2nd litter was c section and she thought about going the same way, I put a muzzle on her but once she was over the anaesthetic she came right. She could still clean the pups etc so might need a different type of muzzle but there is nothing wrong with using one for the safety of the pups - or in our case, our safety!! Edited September 1, 2011 by AdoubleJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trisven13 Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 I'm not sure of the details other than that the pups are now with a bitch who lost her own pups. Putting them on mum wasn't an option as the problem wasn't simply one of aggression. The bitches health is the priority in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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