Miranda Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 She was playing and was bolled over and the Pit Bull went over to make sure she was okay, another dog was growling at her and another pit bull stepped in front of Bella... those kind of things. I'm absolutely gobsmacked by the above statement, anthropomorphism at its very best. I'm constantly amazed at the total ignorance of dog behaviour shown by many people on DOL. Telida......you go girl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I would also love to hear from a well qualified behaviourlist in relation to what they percieve from the video as the OP is not a behaviourlist the word "protective" may have not been what a professional would use.... I personally did not see any "protecting" behaviour in that clip... just wagging tails. I have none :) just a proud owner of an APBT for 3 years and have been around the breed for 10.... I know exactly how an owner can destroy the dog and how an owner can bring an APBT to be a gentle soul will fabulous manners.... but as you see im commenting on how great they can be as an all round dog... Im trying very hard not to comment on behaviour because i didnt think the thread was about that. Whether a dog is a great dog or not or not depends on its behaviour. It's really the most important thing about dogs for me. It should be to anyone that wants to take their dog to a dog park. I don't think your experience with your breed is really enough to know all you claim to know about the extent of owner influence on dog behaviour and drive. Many dogs are killed or injured in dog parks each year. Others just have bad experiences. There would be fewer problems in dog parks if people avoided situations such as shown in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trishm Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I don't think that brown dog is playing in a particularly friendly or gentle way. Your pup doesn't seem to enjoy it at all when that dog goes right over the top of her. I agree. I was concerned watching that. I have to agree, I would have been very concerned if that was my little cav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 :laugh: How does this make you any better than anyone else then? By calling THEM names back??? Gawd, maybe Troy should just end this now. Where did I say I was better than them? As I was saying, these people can't read :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 :laugh: How does this make you any better than anyone else then? By calling THEM names back??? Gawd, maybe Troy should just end this now. Where did I say I was better than them? As I was saying, these people can't read :laugh: My point is you're calling people names for calling other people names.....I can read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 :laugh: :laugh: How does this make you any better than anyone else then? By calling THEM names back??? Gawd, maybe Troy should just end this now. Where did I say I was better than them? As I was saying, these people can't read :laugh: My point is you're calling people names for calling other people names.....I can read. I give up :laugh: I stand by what I actually said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 :-) Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Five years professionally assessing dog behaviour through their body language. Working under a program written by a veterinary behaviourist. Doing this on a weekly basis. Training by a veterinary behaviourist in assessing canine non-verbal communication as well as training and mentor-ship from a behaviourist with doctorate in canine prey drive. Training volunteers in assessing and documenting canine non-verbal communication, supervising them and documenting the information. Over ten years as a a qualified obedience and agility instructor at an ANKC affiliated obedience club. So as you can see, my input about dog behaviour is considered valuable by many dog owners. I know a lot about canine non-verbal communication and possible interpretations of the behaviour. I also have a wealth of experience in seeing consequences of certain behaviours, having been responsible for the care and rehoming of a very large number of dogs. What are your credentials? I'm now very interested in hearing from those with better credentials than mine (and there are some members here) and getting their thoughts on whether the word "protective' is appropriate and how they interpret the behaviour of the dogs in the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Your posts come across like you're deliberately trying to be a trouble maker. Just saying. Nope im genuinely curious as I would not be taking advise from a non experienced professional in such a specialised field of k9 behaviour. Really? Then you would be missing out on a lot of very good information of others "life experiences", some learnt "the hard way" and alot of it not able to be formally taught. :) Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Five years professionally assessing dog behaviour through their body language. Working under a program written by a veterinary behaviourist. Doing this on a weekly basis. Training by a veterinary behaviourist in assessing canine non-verbal communication as well as training and mentor-ship from a behaviourist with doctorate in canine prey drive. Training volunteers in assessing and documenting canine non-verbal communication, supervising them and documenting the information. Over ten years as a a qualified obedience and agility instructor at an ANKC affiliated obedience club. So as you can see, my input about dog behaviour is considered valuable by many dog owners. I know a lot about canine non-verbal communication and possible interpretations of the behaviour. I also have a wealth of experience in seeing consequences of certain behaviours, having been responsible for the care and rehoming of a very large number of dogs. What are your credentials? I'm now very interested in hearing from those with better credentials than mine (and there are some members here) and getting their thoughts on whether the word "protective' is appropriate and how they interpret the behaviour of the dogs in the video. It is always good to take advise "on board" from someone who has had more formal training and experience than oneself. My own credentials only come from the "School of life" which has taught me enough to know that much can be learnt, observed and alot discarded from others in life, and that it is wise to bow to those that have more knowledge in any field than me. Ultimately though I must live with the decisions I have made and must follow my gut feelings and do what works for me. Incidently, my personal experiences see potential problems in the body language of the brown dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Your posts come across like you're deliberately trying to be a trouble maker. Just saying. Nope im genuinely curious as I would not be taking advise from a non experienced professional in such a specialised field of k9 behaviour. Really? Then you would be missing out on a lot of very good information of others "life experiences", some learnt "the hard way" and alot of it not able to be formally taught. :) Maybe... but when it comes to an in-depth discussion about a dogs behaviour from a few seconds of a video clip id leave it up to the professionals, they don’t study years on end for no reason, there is a reason when behaviour stories pop up many people on DOL will suggest a behaviourist and not offer personal advise because you could be giving the TOTALLY wrong information..... Expressing personal experience is fine, but trying to distinguish a dog is a threat biased on this video I believe is a little out of a non professionals league.... that is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janba Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Expressing personal experience is fine, but trying to distinguish a dog is a threat biased on this video I believe is a little out of a non professionals league.... that is my opinion. Sometimes it is a lot easier to analyse a dogs body language on a video than it is in real life - you have the ability to replay whereas in real ;life you can blink and miss an important signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Your posts come across like you're deliberately trying to be a trouble maker. Just saying. Nope im genuinely curious as I would not be taking advise from a non experienced professional in such a specialised field of k9 behaviour. Really? Then you would be missing out on a lot of very good information of others "life experiences", some learnt "the hard way" and alot of it not able to be formally taught. :) Maybe... but when it comes to an in-depth discussion about a dogs behaviour from a few seconds of a video clip id leave it up to the professionals, they don't study years on end for no reason, there is a reason when behaviour stories pop up many people on DOL will suggest a behaviourist and not offer personal advise because you could be giving the TOTALLY wrong information..... Expressing personal experience is fine, but trying to distinguish a dog is a threat biased on this video I believe is a little out of a non professionals league.... that is my opinion. Interpreting the behaviour on the video may be out of your league. But you don't have to have professional experience to see the body language and posturing of the brown dog in the video, and match it to the postures on the chart that has been posted. It is very hard for anyone to calculate how much of a threat another dog might be, so the best thing to dog is not to allow dogs to play with each other unless both dogs are relaxed and communicating with loose playful gestures. Play bows and wriggliness are good. Warning signs are stiff-legged aroused gestures, stressed gestures, or fearful gestures. Those charts I posted are brilliant and have been going around Facebook for the last few days. They are an excellent resource for those that want to learn to identify gestures to better communicate with their dog and understand how it is feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Nobody is preventing anyone from being nice GSF. Please continue to post nice things if that is what you want to do. I will keep contributing to discussions about dog behaviour and interaction as described and shown on video if I think people are putting their pets into risky situations or misinterpreting anti-social dog behaviour. Sorry what credentials do you have in order to comment on such behaviour? Your posts come across like you're deliberately trying to be a trouble maker. Just saying. Nope im genuinely curious as I would not be taking advise from a non experienced professional in such a specialised field of k9 behaviour. Really? Then you would be missing out on a lot of very good information of others "life experiences", some learnt "the hard way" and alot of it not able to be formally taught. :) Maybe... but when it comes to an in-depth discussion about a dogs behaviour from a few seconds of a video clip id leave it up to the professionals, they don't study years on end for no reason, there is a reason when behaviour stories pop up many people on DOL will suggest a behaviourist and not offer personal advise because you could be giving the TOTALLY wrong information..... Expressing personal experience is fine, but trying to distinguish a dog is a threat biased on this video I believe is a little out of a non professionals league.... that is my opinion. Interpreting the behaviour on the video may be out of your league. But you don't have to have professional experience to see the body language and posturing of the brown dog in the video, and match it to the postures on the chart that has been posted. It is very hard for anyone to calculate how much of a threat another dog might be, so the best thing to dog is not to allow dogs to play with each other unless both dogs are relaxed and communicating with loose playful gestures. Play bows and wriggliness are good. Warning signs are stiff-legged aroused gestures, stressed gestures, or fearful gestures. Those charts I posted are brilliant and have been going around Facebook for the last few days. They are an excellent resource for those that want to learn to identify gestures to better communicate with their dog and understand how it is feeling. I think you selectively read....I have already stated that I don’t have a professional background just a personal one with the breed, I have also stated that I wouldn’t comment on the behaviour to the depth a few posters are because of that fact.... If you are fine for people without the experience or qualifications of a k9 specific behaviourist to give advice on such things then I would not be paying you to asses any of my dogs thats for sure.... its like taking the word of Google doctor for a human health Symptoms ... pretty unreliable source...... by all means what is said could have some truth, but without the experts I wouldnt bet my life or my dogs on any of it. Edited February 15, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 :laugh: :laugh: How does this make you any better than anyone else then? By calling THEM names back??? Gawd, maybe Troy should just end this now. Where did I say I was better than them? As I was saying, these people can't read :laugh: My point is you're calling people names for calling other people names.....I can read. I give up :laugh: I stand by what I actually said. Oh you mean...."If you use ignore for the idiots there will be nothing left to read..."? So "actually" you've said everyone on this forum is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are You Serious Jo Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Greymate does have extensive experience and her being able to read behaviour was critical in her job. It would be irresponsible not to point out to the OP that she misread the cues of the dogs at the park. Imagine how horrible it would be if this wasn't pointed out to her and her puppy was injured or killed. I know I have learned a lot from others on DOL so why not share the knowledge to make dog ownership better for new people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corrie Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Reading this topic makes me shake my head and think "God help the APBT". Sometimes, it seems, the greatest advocates can become the greatest threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think you selectively read....I have already stated that I don't have a professional background just a personal one with the breed, I have also stated that I wouldn't comment on the behaviour to the depth a few posters are because of that fact.... If you are fine for people without the experience or qualifications of a k9 specific behaviourist to give advice on such things then I would not be paying you to asses any of my dogs thats for sure.... its like taking the word of Google doctor for a human health Symptoms ... pretty unreliable source...... by all means what is said could have some truth, but without the experts I wouldnt bet my life or my dogs on any of it. That is fine for you to not comment on behaviour, you seem to be commenting on people more than the dogs. My only advice is for people to not allow their dog to run around off-lead with a dog that behaves like the brown dog did. Learn to read the basic signs. That is all. There is no risk involved with taking my advice, but there is a risk involved in ignoring it. I wouldn't want to assess your dogs, but if you have a problem with them I suggest you do get professional help, not online help. All you seem to be doing for the last few posts is attempting to undermine my credibility. If you don't want to listen and learn you don't have to, but you are really out of your depth trying to argue about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think you selectively read....I have already stated that I don’t have a professional background just a personal one with the breed, I have also stated that I wouldn’t comment on the behaviour to the depth a few posters are because of that fact.... If you are fine for people without the experience or qualifications of a k9 specific behaviourist to give advice on such things then I would not be paying you to asses any of my dogs thats for sure.... its like taking the word of Google doctor for a human health Symptoms ... pretty unreliable source...... by all means what is said could have some truth, but without the experts I wouldnt bet my life or my dogs on any of it. I think the dominant behaviour of the brown dog is pretty obvious, and it is concerning that you think that type of behviour could only be picked up by a k9 specific behaviourist. I would hope that many average dog owners would pick up on it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCheekyMonster Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) Greymate does have extensive experience and her being able to read behaviour was critical in her job. It would be irresponsible not to point out to the OP that she misread the cues of the dogs at the park. Imagine how horrible it would be if this wasn't pointed out to her and her puppy was injured or killed. I know I have learned a lot from others on DOL so why not share the knowledge to make dog ownership better for new people. Thats fine, but this person is only one who has admitted to having a background in the field... but has also stated they were happy for an every day person without credentials to give advice on behaviour... I choose to disagree with that... but her pup was not injured or killed... so i think we can move back on topic and the OP can file this in the "good to know" section of her brain, and this is exactly why I said that... I picked up on dominance, but dominance and aggression are two completely different things.... some dogs are dominant some are submissive.... and they show this ALL the time. Edited February 15, 2012 by GussysMum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greytmate Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Greymate does have extensive experience and her being able to read behaviour was critical in her job. It would be irresponsible not to point out to the OP that she misread the cues of the dogs at the park. Imagine how horrible it would be if this wasn't pointed out to her and her puppy was injured or killed. I know I have learned a lot from others on DOL so why not share the knowledge to make dog ownership better for new people. Thats fine, but this person is only one who has admitted to having a background in the field... but has also stated they were happy for an every day person without credentials to give advice on behaviour... I choose to disagree with that... but her pup was not injured or killed... so i think we can move back on topic and the OP can file this in the "good to know" section of her brain, and this is exactly why I said that... I picked up on dominance, but dominance and aggression are two completely different things.... some dogs are dominant some are submissive.... and they show this ALL the time. Did I? :laugh: Well that must make you the winner of this thread. Congratulations. And as a bonus, there were no puppies killed or injured! Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyWal Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Reading this topic makes me shake my head and think "God help the APBT". Sometimes, it seems, the greatest advocates can become the greatest threat. Yes I think that is so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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