Oodles

[sandgrubber]

Scientific evidence shows cross breeding can have health  benefits.

https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2018-06-15/study-reveals-genetic-diseases-mixed-breed-purebred-dogs

Edited August 18, 2023 by sandgrubber
rewording

[JulesP]

12 hours ago, April Andy said:

Regardless of our individual circumstances, it is important to approach these conversations with respect and an open mind Learning from each other’s experience and knowledge is what makes these conversations so engaging.

 

 

It is also a good idea to respect the rules of this forum. 

 

This site was created for pure bred dog discussion (ANKC recognised breeds)
The primary purpose of this forum is to promote and discuss pure bred dogs (as recognised by the ANKC) so we ask you respect our aim when visiting here. If you own a cross breed dog, you are also welcome here, but we ask that you refer to it by its proper name (eg a pug-x or cavalier-x instead of the designer term 'pugalier').

[Rebanne]

6 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

Scientific evidence shows cross breeding can have health  benefits.

https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2018-06-15/study-reveals-genetic-diseases-mixed-breed-purebred-dogs

that's a little bit different to anyone grabbing a poodle and crossing it with whatever other breed they can find, making up a "cute" name and selling it for $1000's, all without any health testing of the parents.

[sandgrubber]

2 hours ago, Rebanne said:

that's a little bit different to anyone grabbing a poodle and crossing it with whatever other breed they can find, making up a "cute" name and selling it for $1000's, all without any health testing of the parents.

Maybe.  Given the data set was huge and not selected for health tested cross breeds. I suspect most of the cross breeds in the study were not the carefully bred sort.  Breed specific or breed concentrated genetic diseases can originate from loss of genetic diversity, and cross breeding tends to reduce the frequency of getting two recessive genes. 

 

 

[Mairead]

My kidney disease is caused by one dominant gene. No amount of crossbreeding would have helped, even if one of my parents was Neanderthal or Denisovan.

[coneye]

Years ago when i was a kid , mongrels were always renowned to be healthy strong dogs , with few health issues , and pedigrees were more prone , at least thats what i remember everyone saying ,.

 

Personaly  except for when i was a kid with the familly dog  always owned pedigrees  ,  has an adult that is i've always had pedigrees  ,  then i know what i'm buying , except for the one now , and  he will be the last cross breed i ever own ,   has his share of health issues  although i've been lucky with his temperement

[Adrienne]

On 18/8/2023 at 8:02 PM, April Andy said:

Hello everyone,

 

It is really interesting to see the different opinions and ideas that come up when we are talking about Sheepoodle and other hybrids. The world of dog breeding certainly has its complexities and considerations, and it’s only natural that people have different opinions on the subject.

 

@Anne, I appreciate your thoughts on the naming conventions of hybrids. In fact, "oodle" has become a common suffix for poodle crosses. Whether we see it as creative or more deliberate, it’s interesting how these names go.

 

@Mairead and @Rebanne, your insights shed light on some potential challenges and discussions around crossbreeding. Coat problems and differences between species and hybrids are relevant points to consider.

 

@Lhok, thanks for your observation. It’s interesting to consider whether the original story reflects genuine human interest or whether AI dictates. It goes to show how technology and human interaction can sometimes blur the lines.

 

Regardless of our individual circumstances, it is important to approach these conversations with respect and an open mind Learning from each other’s experience and knowledge is what makes these conversations so engaging.

 

We continue to share our ideas and insights while respecting different perspectives to enrich this community. 

 

The way you express yourself seems creepy. Your words come across as passive aggressive. The triple love hearts at the end of your message are very dark.  

 

 

[Adrienne]

Oodles is understood as a cross breed involving poodles. 

Edited December 9, 2023 by Adrienne
relevance

[DogsAndTheMob]

On 19/8/2023 at 12:56 PM, sandgrubber said:

Maybe.  Given the data set was huge and not selected for health tested cross breeds. I suspect most of the cross breeds in the study were not the carefully bred sort.  Breed specific or breed concentrated genetic diseases can originate from loss of genetic diversity, and cross breeding tends to reduce the frequency of getting two recessive genes. 

 

 

In theory.
 

In practice, I wonder how much inbreeding occurs in most profit-focused enterprises producing “designer crossbreeds”. Buying unrelated dogs for breeding would be a drain on profits. Those enterprises would make larger profits if they kept dogs from early litters and bred them to each other or to their parents.

 

Just yesterday, I saw a post on another forum, asking for advice. The poster’s “designer crossbreed”  dog had just been diagnosed with NCL5 (Golden Retriever variant), a fatal, neurological, genetic disease which occurs in Golden Retrievers. Responsible Golden Retriever breeders DNA test for NCL and the gene is rare enough that it’s likely that the affected dog was inbred to an NCL carrier. Unfortunately, because the dog was a crossbreed, nobody thought to check for NCL until after 6 months of scans, specialist vet visits and deteriorating health and behaviour.

Edited December 7, 2023 by DogsAndTheMob

[coneye]

Well people can call them what they like , Ooodles , Groodels ,  Labadoodles ,  and any othr name you can think off , but to me they are and always will be MONGROOLS . whats more , if the people who bred these things tell you they are a responsible breeder of MONGROOLS , who do health checks ,    check there  non existent pedigrees , care about what they produce ,  , not just in it hoping for big litters  and 5 grand a pup ,, Then   come see me i can sell You Sydney Harbor bridge  very cheap , Honest .

 

You cannot even say there trying to create a new breed because there not ,   there so many different Oodles , Groodles , labrdoodles ,   its obvious the only intention they have towards  developing a breed is that the name ends in Oodle , and they can get 5 grand a pup , Wifes mate bought one of a puppy farm , she got sold a right load of crap , nervous little biter that shits   everywhere and when its not doing that its hiding under the bed  that privelige cost her $5500 , and hundreds  if not thousands in puppy school , who by the way will not take it in anymore , they said  it just runs to a corner shaking , vets fee's and  now  medicating it  in the hop it will let someone pat it  without weeing itself screaming and hiding under the bed shaking  for 8 hrs ,  Will admit its got a bit better but has to take  daily medication , and then it acts like    its a Zombie ,, apparantly she knows a couple who bought from the same litter and theres are the same . Sooner these dogs  do there popularity circle the better

[Selkie]

5 hours ago, DogsAndTheMob said:

In theory.
 

In practice, I wonder how much inbreeding occurs in most profit-focused enterprises producing “designer crossbreeds”. Buying unrelated dogs for breeding would be a drain on profits. Those enterprises would make larger profits if they kept dogs from early litters and bred them to each other or to their parents.

 

Just yesterday, I saw a post on another forum, asking for advice. The poster’s “designer crossbreed”  dog had just been diagnosed with NCL5 (Golden Retriever variant), a fatal, neurological, genetic disease which occurs in Golden Retrievers. Responsible Golden Retriever breeders DNA test for NCL and the gene is rare enough that it’s likely that the affected dog was inbred to an NCL carrier. Unfortunately, because the dog was a crossbreed, nobody thought to check for NCL until after 6 months of scans, specialist vet visits and deteriorating health and behaviour.

 

Exactly. Before gene testing for purebreds, and back when a "crossbred" was either truely random, or was a product of a farmer's thoughful landrace breeding, this might have been true for dogs. In the current environment, I'm not sure that this applies.

[tdierikx]

There will be competitions at the Sydney Royal next year for Oodles....

 

https://www.rasnsw.com.au/competitions/animals/dog-details/

 

Oh... and RSPCA have decided that all dogs being offered by them should be referred to as "Rescue-oodles"...

 

https://www.rspcansw.org.au/blog/campaign-promotions/meet-the-rescuoodles/

 

Dog help us all!

 

T.

Edited December 8, 2023 by tdierikx

[coneye]

Rescuoodles ,,, Oh well you can't blame them for trying , I suppose someones paid well to come up with this brilliant idea ,   I will say these dogs are very popular  , p[eople are willing to pay Oodles   to get the dog  who's name ends in Oodle , But i suspect its more about the idea they do't malt supposudly  have gentle temprements  are smart , and of course last but not least a present day fad. 

 

But calling a  staffy cross , or   a heeler cross a hoodle  or a stoodle  is'nt going to cut the mustard , its also about a very important thing LOOKS , Just like your wife  or husband people want a dog they consider   gentle on the eye  , and nice natured ,   , after all who wants a wife thats  they consider ugly , aggressive ,  and unpredictable  , ready to turn on you , . Got a few mates who have one just like that , but  unlike a dog it would cost them  the house , boat , car and everything else  to get rid ,  (He He started something now hav'nt I   LOL )

 

Theres also the scruffy looking aspect , its popular , personaly i like scruffy looking dogs  , but if i wanted one i would go buy a long haired  wire coated german pointer ,  an Airdaile ,   Shnauzer or something then not cut it too often .

 

But seriously the rspca want to get rid of some dogs , they can start by letting people in too have a look  , I told the story not long ago  , about going there to buy a dog , they would'nt let me in to look at them ,  so i walked away , few months later they said on facebook they were having a open to public day , because they were full and desperate to   get rid of some , so i rang up  there main office asked if its true was told yes   just rock up , i jumped in the car  left work and drove 80 klm   only to be told , Naaw , someones pulling your leg , make an appoinment , when i asked   what if i make an appoinment to see that dog on  your   board don't like it and want to see another they said make another appoinment ,i walked away in disgust vowing NEVER to deal with them again , theve got the lunatics running the Asylum .

[Rebanne]

My vet has a large x poodle and it's a lovely dog, around 9 now. Been coming to work with her since day dot. So well behaved and of course always beautifully groomed, coat kept shortish. If I was in the market for a dog with coat I can see the appeal, until a local groomer posts pictures up of the latest matted to the skin oodle.

[Rascalmyshadow]

I understand this is a purebred dog forum but getting on here and bashing oodles and looking down on anyone that owns or wants one is a disgrace, all the nonsense spread about them is predominantly untrue, 28 years of grooming and I’ve seen a huge shift in the breeds people own, I groom a lot of purebred dogs still but a huge percentage of business is oodles and Maltese shihtzu crosses and most of them are lovely, well kept dogs with very dedicated owners.

 

I can see why so many people are moving away from purebred dogs and I believe it’s mostly because of the breeders being rude and unapproachable as well as doing minimal to promote their breed, we went to the dog Xmas market on Sun at KCC park, was a nice day out, met many lovely dogs, there were multiple breeders there  and out of four different breeds the only ones which were friendly were the corgi breeders,  the others were rude and not friendly at all and two of the breeds we own, it was extremely disappointing.

[DogsAndTheMob]

4 hours ago, Rascalmyshadow said:

I understand this is a purebred dog forum but getting on here and bashing oodles and looking down on anyone that owns or wants one is a disgrace, all the nonsense spread about them is predominantly untrue, 28 years of grooming and I’ve seen a huge shift in the breeds people own, I groom a lot of purebred dogs still but a huge percentage of business is oodles and Maltese shihtzu crosses and most of them are lovely, well kept dogs with very dedicated owners.

 

I can see why so many people are moving away from purebred dogs and I believe it’s mostly because of the breeders being rude and unapproachable as well as doing minimal to promote their breed, we went to the dog Xmas market on Sun at KCC park, was a nice day out, met many lovely dogs, there were multiple breeders there  and out of four different breeds the only ones which were friendly were the corgi breeders,  the others were rude and not friendly at all and two of the breeds we own, it was extremely disappointing.

I agree that most of the “oodles” I’ve met are delightful dogs. I also agree that some purebred dog aficionados are appallingly rude about “oodles”.

 

I have two concerns. Firstly, I worry that many oodles are bred in puppy mills. To check whether this was a misconception, I googled oodles in Australia. The first breeder website that I opened had information on their 93 (!) breeding dogs and 16 potential breeding dogs, all born in 2019 or later. Hopefully, many of these dogs live in guardian homes, although even that means that many dogs and owners are stressed when the dogs are taken away for breeding.

 

Secondly, I worry that the “oodle” purchasers may be misled about the (lack of) thought and care that has gone into breeding their puppy. With over a hundred dogs, how can the breeders make thoughtful breeding decisions and how much individual care does each puppy receive? I also worry that the people who provide guardian homes may be misled about their contractual obligations or the sadness and inconvenience that may result from their choice.

[Adrienne]

I would rather buy a pup (purebred or mix bred) whelped in an environment where the dam is living an enriched life and has all opportunity and lifestyle to display all her mothering and socialising behaviours to her offspring. As I understand it, this is the element that contributes most to any puppy becoming  a happy and balanced animal. Put another way, the absence of a competent unstressed mother, produces anxious and unbalanced dogs. 

 

I don't think its impossible for a dam to be unstressed and competent in a kennel environment, but when the numbers get beyond a modest number I think it becomes really important that those pups get the hell out of that environment and into their homes at eight weeks or asap - because what they then need is so much more than what can be provided in that environment. 

 

Individual attention for young pups goes a very very long way IMO and it simply cannot be achieved in establishments as big as the one mentioned above. 

 

[coneye]

Nothing wrong with oodles , stoodles , coodles . whatever you want to call them no doubt , some if not most are lovely dogs , after all i own a maltese shitzu cross  at least thats what we think he is  , i just refer to him has the little white fluffy dog ,  BUT   to refer to them has anything but mongrels is silly because there not a paticular breed ,  dispite what anyone says , no matter what the breeder of these dogs say ,  there not pedigrees , does'nt make them a bad dog , just   makes people trying to sell something there not   if theres any claim to being a breed , after all which ones a breed the cross poodle  cavalier . or the cross poodle lab , ir anything else they want to call oodle .

 

The are in fact just a designer dog and it is mainly puppy mills who put thjem out and they DO NOT  do it to   try and come up with a different breed they do it for DOLLARS , Like i said we own a  maltese cross i got him from the rspca 7 years ago, but remember  they were  probably the number one dog of choice  a few years ago , oodles have took over  ,

 

Told the story on here before  after we bought him which was by accident ,  went in to buy a mastiff they had   he seen me , i seen him and that was it , but he had a hold on him  i put a secondary hold on him and the first reneged  , they rang me next day and said come get him .. But i found out by accident a few weeks later ,   a perfect stranger , who recognised him  on the river  250 klm from my home and where i bought him , , told me they were going to buy him but   could'nt come up with the $600  the seller wanted , guess what  the original hold ,  was put on by a staff member  at the rspca , . yep a staff member ,  the price was $300   , for him , but when i went to pick him up i was told $400 when asked why the $100  jump the rspca answer was , because there popular dogs and we can get more for these , pay it or leave him , i paid it . but it left a sour taste in my mouth regarding the corrupt rspca , There staff  buying them to sell and make profit ,, them themselves  , pricing by poularity  ,   adding money on  to there normal price . .

 

Still nothing wrong with ood;es after all they are a dog ,  but i do keep in mind  there bred for making money ,  not to create new breeds

[Rascalmyshadow]

On 14/12/2023 at 4:48 PM, DogsAndTheMob said:

I agree that most of the “oodles” I’ve met are delightful dogs. I also agree that some purebred dog aficionados are appallingly rude about “oodles”.

 

I have two concerns. Firstly, I worry that many oodles are bred in puppy mills. To check whether this was a misconception, I googled oodles in Australia. The first breeder website that I opened had information on their 93 (!) breeding dogs and 16 potential breeding dogs, all born in 2019 or later. Hopefully, many of these dogs live in guardian homes, although even that means that many dogs and owners are stressed when the dogs are taken away for breeding.

 

Secondly, I worry that the “oodle” purchasers may be misled about the (lack of) thought and care that has gone into breeding their puppy. With over a hundred dogs, how can the breeders make thoughtful breeding decisions and how much individual care does each puppy receive? I also worry that the people who provide guardian homes may be misled about their contractual obligations or the sadness and inconvenience that may result from their choice.

Yes unfortunately currently many are coming from puppy farms which of course is something I don’t like nor agree with, the popularity of these crosses is just growing and I don’t think they are going to disappear so the question is what’s the best course of action from here…….. if they are going to continue to be bred then wouldn’t it at least be better if the parent dogs were of good breeding with minimal genetic or temperament issues, now I understand most registered breeders of purebred dogs don’t want their dogs used for producing xbreeds  but the market is there so why not for the health and well-being of the dogs doesn’t the dog community actually support good breeding of both pure and cross bred dogs, and market them better so there is a chance of pushing the puppy farmers out.

 

 

 

[Amazetl]

There are several popular oodles on social media and I get the appeal with them being so scruffy or fluffy and cute but to keep that hair is a crazy amount of work and most people think they don’t need to really brush. That’s one of the biggest things that concerns me with oodles, is that so many have matted hair that must hurt. 

 

I think a lot now do genetic testing but that doesn’t mean they are still breeding quality dogs. I think the marketing behind them has been more successful than any other breed. The idea of a teddy bear type dog that is more human like. And that’s all people see until they get them and some come into problems with them.