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Oh sas, why do you so often want to put a downer on things. Let me give you a few How's it a downer? I don't see how it's a big deal....why don't you educate me as to why it is and then I would have learned something as I thought they were allowed everywhere.

I'd be telling him to knock it off and delivering a correction that will make him stop.

What City are you in?

I came across this on the Great Dane LAdy website.....what do you think? Devil's Advocate: This article is focused on grain free diets as they relate to canine nutrition (dogs). This information does NOT apply to cats (felines) who are "obligate" carnivores of desert origin, and do best when fed raw or grain free diets. Things to Ponder About Grain Free Diets I get many emails asking my opinion of the new grain-free diets on the market. These are new foods and actually a spin-off of the BARF- biologically appropriate raw foods movement. The growing holistic pet food industry has much competition these days, so they are looking for ways to reinvent the wheel and here you have it, the new grain free diets! After all, if the public wants grain free diets, certainly they know what is best for their pets - right? Wrong. Just because the public wants it, is not a good enough reason to manufacture it. Just because it is a grain free diet, does not mean it is appropriate for your dog's situation. Thanks to knee-jerk reactions and the propagation of nutritional myths on the internet, grains in petfoods have a bad reputation. Grains are carbohydrates and carbohydrates are not necessarily bad. Just because it is a grain free diet does not mean there are no carbohydrates in the grain free food. Instead they substitute potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams and tapioca, as other carb sources yet tapioca is a questionable ingredient for pets. More feed trials are needed on these foods. So when people think they are using a grain-free diet, it still has carbohydrates in it and in many cases potato carbohydrates are worse for allergies, systemic yeast infections, diabetic and cancer diets - worse than quality whole ground grains used in the proper proportion. My point here is this, like most things in life, this grainless diet topic is not a black/white issue. There are many things we need to consider before using a grain free diet for our pet's current health situation. Now the good thing about the grain free diets is that they are generally made by very good holistic companies like Nutura's EVO, Wellness-Core. Wysong's Archetype, Dr Harvey's Veg-To-Bowl among others. Most grain free diets have not been around long enough to see how they will do in 3-4 generations. And feed trials, if actually done, are very limited. That is, other than Dr. Wysong's diets because he is a pioneer in the field of nutrition and his products have longevity and feed trial research done on them. He is one of my heroes and I appreciate all he has done to educating us about pet and human nutrition. (wysong.net). I do not recommend grain free diets for weaning or growth in any breed and especially for large and giant breeds. Actually, I do not recommend a grain free diet be fed as the "total diet" to any healthy breed. I even have reservations about them used totally as a cancer diet due to the high calcium levels. They are really meant for very specific uses and often for short term use - each animal's situation would have to be considered before I could ever recommend a total grainless diet to my puppy buyers. I think grainless food is fine to use as a 5%-10% component to the adult diet using a super premium or holsitic food as the 90-95% basis of your program. For puppies past 6 months of age I would only use a couple spoonful mixed with a high quality kibble. Once the puppy is past the difficult growth stages (weaning - 6 months) then it is ok to increase the amount fed of a grainless diet. This is why I like the Honest Kitchen products so much, they are easier to regulate feeding. You can sprinkle a little on the puppies food and add a little water and stir - voila - you have the best of both worlds. A quality kibble with optimal nutrients, the raw component and fruits and veggies. What more could you ask in this busy world - ease and not compromising your pet's health. It is IMPOSSIBLE regulate growth patterns on raw or grain fee diets in order to avoid developmental orthopedic diseases such as; HOD, Knuckling Over/Bowing (Carpel Flexural Deformity) OCD, and Pano.

I don't see why it should be a big deal....they're allowed anywhere or did I miss something?

Some information you may like to consider/reaearch: MSM - Nutritional Sulfur - there are many brands on the market but the one with the longest track record is the VitaFlex brand that has been around for 25 yrs. MSM Corrects malabsorption of other nutrients such as minerals whose imbalance relate to problems such as osteochondrosis (HOD, OCD, Pano). It also helps with the pain and inflammation relief associated with developmental orthopedic diseases I personaly get my MSM here

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It's pretty common in pups. There's a few things you can do 1) Speak to your Vet about a New Anti-Car sick medication 2) Speak to your Holistic Vet about using Ginger 3) Make the car a positive place to be, fed your pup in the car whilst it's park in the yard, spend time in the car parked with toys etc, take short trips and slowly build up.

I've sent you a PM with trainer details.

In reality, who actualy knows.

If the older dog actually latched on I would keep them seperated.

Plush Puppy OMG Spray works for me to get most things out of hair.

Your Vet?

The problem that you have from being home alot is that you needed to allow the pup to have outside time everyday even when you're home. I really reccomend you start doing this straight away. If the pup is showing signs of seperation anxiety you can give them all the things in the world other dogs will love and they won't care. If you like e-mail me at [email protected] and I can send you on setting up a dog to be be ok with being left alone. If the dog is not showing signs of anxiety and is just barking because it likes the sound of its' own voice you could try the following things: 1) Scattering kibble throughout the yard to keep pup busy 2) Change your leave routine so you're not triggering your dogs behaviour 3) Try Kongs/Kong Despensers or treat balls chew toys 4) Don't give too many toys, only 2 or 3 a day and rotate them otherwise the dogs loose interest in them 5) Consider the Aussie Home Alone toys 6) Sandpit & water shell - you have to teach the dog how to use it, you can then hide toys and treats in it. 7) Ball dispensers 8) A dog walker to come in to see your pup and take it for a little walk Aren't Shelties the most barky dogs on the planet that are normally debarked? LOL

We fixed Dante being precious about toileting in the rain by walking him in the rain. Worked a treat for us.

I just put pup on my lap with some towels.....towels needed as he puked and peed on me. There is an article on K9Pro that goes over this topic and suggests not putting the put on your lap or in a crate. mmm I can't find the article though, from memory it was something like the lap is too warm and can make the pup sick and that's not a good experience and not to use the crate as you're taking the pup away from the only life it knows and you don't want to give the crate a bad name so to speak already.

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I send an email...from Martha Jones And when they google you it will bring this up in the results.

A landlord years ago let my dog out and didn't even consider going to get her, luckily the house she walked into being nosey called me. Now we have locks where neccessary to prevent accidents occuring.

Some doggie people are crazy cautious and a wee bit just generally crazy LOL Your dog is fine in your back yard as is your puppy if you do all the common sense things other crazy dog owners may think you're incapable of doing LOL Such as: 1) Making sure your Pup/Dog can not get out of the yard 2) Making sure your Pup/Dog can't get into things you don't want them to get into 3) Be prepared to not have a tante when you come home to find they may have wrecked every garden bed you have as a source of fun for them LOL 4) Be prepared to not have a tante when you come home to find they have chewed on your outdoor dinning set or anything else plastic or wood LOL 5) Making sure you have given your pup/dog alone time everyday outside whilst you're home so they get used to being outside alone 6) Letting your neighbours know what the situation is so they can give you feedback on noise levels and give you some time to work it out 2 meals a day is fine for most pups, they start to refuse one of their meals soon enough anyhow, if you really feel you need to give a lunch meal as per the Breeders reccomendation then use a timmer meal device. In regards to leaving a puppy with an adult, I can't do that because I have Danes and as strange as it sounds Dane puppies are extremely fragile so they are put in a dog run whilst I'm at work. Also you may want to consider if a pup may just harass the adult dog whenever its' awake etc. You'll find that pups do generally sleep most of the day anyhow. Crating is not intended for long term use all day....that's not going to help toilet training at all, a young pup is active and a crate is only going to provide pent up energy. Those Crazy Americans

No you don't see what I'm saying, that is why I'm saying forget about it. I don't care of you agree with me or not, it's not what I was putting across.

Forget about it. We're nnot on the same page so it doesn't matter LOL

I think this is a really good example about how a piece of information taken out of context can be easily misconstrued. I've worked with this particular Derm practice for ≈ 8 years and never once have been given false hope about a "cure". They are always very clear about treatments, how they work and what to expect from them. They have always stated that "success" with immunotherapy is a reduction of symptoms, and they quote the standard accepted rate in the research literature of ≈70% who see this success. Forget about it LOL You think I'm taking things out of context and somehow being insulting to your Derm which I wasn't, if you cared to see what I was saying instead of assuming you would have seen that.

Any reason for him to be dropping i.e. soreness? I'm not sure what type of training you do i.e. positive etc, the work I have done with my trainer in the past is about starting Sit Stays in small time increments and working up to longer ones and doing 3 ones where he wins and one where he fails....I don't train 100% positive, I use corrections with this specific dog so that may not be suitable for you.

That's fine however it's how people are communicated with....given false hope that 70% of dogs will have success....the word success is the problem as to a Derm that may mean just a wee bit less itching, to an owner that may mean a cure.