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It's not vital, just the only treat I can give them while they're on such a strict barf pattie diet. Roo tendon chews haven't really caused any dramas when I get brave enough to test them. Stopping the dogs from scavenging things like a bit of kibble someone has put in the bed for later is the hardest part :laugh: I was slightly disappointed by the results from Z/D and would probably only use it again if I really had to. The dogs get bored of it within a week...... Actually no, they get bored of it as soon as I order a large bag. Brats! lol Wishing you luck :) you'll get there in the end.

:) I've had more than a couple with dodgey tummies. And elimination diets and z/d, roo etc etc are a looong loooong road. If I can just suggest my now first-in-line diet test.... and it may not be everybody's first choice. Start a 2 - 4wk trial with barf, I use 'combo'. Just barf. Absolutely not even a crumb of biscuit, no fish, no egg, no dairy, nothing else. Treats: Only meaty bone with no fat and limited marrow. A little sweet potato for the dogs who need more fibre. If that works you just get a bit more adventurous from there. Get an upset - strike it off the list. And have a tube of Prokolin+ paste on hand (I have to get mine from the UK, it passes customs no problem)

If you mean me I said she seems OK (and the 'ethical breeder' bit is on the OL site) as well whether she stands behind it or not. It didn't make any difference anyway to the stuff I saw people write

Panto, your delivery address went in the e-news and hopefully you'll get some stuff but if you have an email you'd like me to share with inquiries just PM. They upset me so much, I put in the two litters of dumped country pups from last week. Subscribers were very moved to see the hardship rural co-ords, rescue and rangers face. Kudos to everyone who works against the odds.

And I quite agree. It's funny how on this forum and other internet sites, some people love to cut down those people and organisations who are helping to change the perception and treatment of animals. Let's save our anger for those who mistreat animals and profit from their mistreatment. Having been one of the targets of social media at one time by someone who didn't even know me, but attacked my efforts to help animals, it is never okay to hide behind a keyboard and sprout venom as some do. They would never say it face to face or without the backup of the anonymous army. I don't know if Debra Trantor did what some are saying, but I do know she has done a truckload of good for a lot of animals, possibly at the expense of following a better life for herself. Maybe we can celebrate that instead. Baifra, Stellnme I'll explain my experience, and I was most definitely not on the receiving end of nasty. Deb was always quite complimentary and very nice. I last saw her in Sydney at that Pet show thingo, she's always been pleasant, supportive and chatty. But this is what I saw, being on her friends list. Followers were encouraged to raid pages belonging to members of parliament, perceived puppy farmers, pet retailers etc. And in all honesty it didn't take much more than a simple comment. It was like opening flood gates. There was thousands ready to fight for the cause like an army. Send emails, make calls and in general be an aggressive nuisance. Random people believed to somehow be involved in ... not sure what.... were named & shamed. re Breeders, not sure about that one but she did seem to be OK about people buying pedigree from what was a 'responsible ethical' breeder. However most of the followers were absolutely anti so it didn't really matter. I saw people I knew, like Julie be accused of all sorts of weird stuff and outright lies. Then a rescue friend also pointed out to me that OL is not registered, not a holder of authority to fundraise, not a charity. Maybe that's relevant, I don't know anything about their fundraising but IMHO it's not right to be 'not for profit' if you haven't done the yards to get your approvals. BUT above all. Most frightening to me: the rabid crazies...omg, the adulation of Deb, grovel, hanging on every word, their absolute vicious loyalty. Foul language, disgusting abuse, vile accusations, death threats, trespass...not that Deb always gave clear instructions, she really didn't have to, they were ready to attack and really quite scary. So I went from welcoming the basics of Oscar's Law = puppy farm closures. To that feeling of when you've walked into a room, realised you're in the wrong place and then have to back out silently and slowly. No eye contact. Trolling is not funny and I know all too well how it affects your health and she is another casualty of FB. So as much as I find her nice, her hands aren't completely clean which is a shame, and I believe she has lost more OL supporters (or potential supporters) than she realises.

Ironically I clearly remember her encouraging people to do the same thing.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/animal-activist-worn-down-by-online-abuse-20140607-39q2x.html Standing aside: Oscar's Law founder Debra Tranter says she has suffered at the hands of trolls. Photo: Joe Armao Veteran animal rights activist and founder of Melbourne lobbyists Oscar's Law, Debra Tranter, is standing down as the public face of the campaign because of ''debilitating'' online trolling. She will stand down in November after she has fulfilled speaking commitments at a world youth forum next month and leading an animal rights rally at the Victorian Parliament in October. She said this week she felt like she had suffered repeated ''kicks in the head'' after sustained trolling and abuse directed at her online - on Facebook, Twitter, blogs and forums. Trolling is a deliberate attempt to upset or anger someone online. Part of the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act regulates the internet and can be used to prosecute trolls. There are also laws in Victoria and NSW that can be used against offensive online behaviour. The abuse against Ms Tranter has also spilled offline with threatening phone calls and her home address posted on the internet. Ms Tranter, who lives alone, has moved house within Victoria six times and now uses elaborate security systems. Oscar's Law has campaigned since 1993 to have puppy farms banned and dogs from puppy farms banned from sale in pet shops. Ms Tranter has also promoted dog adoption through rescue groups and shelters. But her own motivations and ethics have been questioned online where she has been accused of stealing donated money and casting doubt on dog breeders who consider themselves ethical but might be perceived to be running a ''puppy farm''. Ms Tranter, 48, has a heart condition and suffered a heart attack last year. She says the trolling ''has a lot to do with'' her decision to stand down. ''It is hard to take and it is hard to understand. Every time you stick your head up you get a kick and … that gets to you.'' Ms Tranter said apart from the toll on her, the effect of the trolling was to make members of the public question whether they should donate money or time to her cause. She said in one instance a Melbourne events company pulled out of an alliance due to threatening letters sent to them anonymously. Ms Tranter's decision comes as another Melbourne activist campaign - No Maccas in the Dandenong Ranges, based in Tecoma - faces court against another alleged troll and stalker. Amy Muratore, 26, the daughter of campaign head Garry Muratore, is seeking an intervention order against a former mayor of Preston, Alan Coutinho-Hogan, 66, alleging he told her she should be ''gang-raped''. Mr Coutinho-Hogan has claimed in court he does not know her and will contest the allegations next month. Jenna Price of feminist campaigners Destroy The Joint says she and her daughters have also been threatened both online and offline. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/animal-activist-worn-down-by-online-abuse-20140607-39q2x.html#ixzz341MNdZAW

PM Esky?

I've never surrendered a dog..I was under the impression that you had to take it to the facility who impounds for the council you live in. That you can't drive across town to find somewhere else. Hills Shire Council dogs go to Hawkesbury Companion Animal Shelter, aiming at reduced PTS rates, not sure what the stats are atm but they are trying. Pounds in general: some are working towards low-kill to the best of their resources. But they only have a finite amount of room to work with. If you surrender a dog to a pound that is overflowing already then there is a very real possibility that dog will be at serious risk of euthanasia. Surrendered dogs are able to be put to sleep immediately although I've heard some have a 24hr holdover in case the owner changes their mind.

held over 'til friday

Glad I'm not the only moustache fan crossfingers for rescue or a holdover. Moustache is on the list for today along with many others. I honestly can't believe how many cats are impounded at the moment it's incredible.

Yep, when I was on FB somehow I had horrific crazy vegan stuff in my newsfeed. It was actually so bad it put me off. I blocked everything and probably missed out on some good stuff but being a murderer for having milk in my morning cuppa was too full on.

I'm not sure how many cat rescuers are still on Dol but I just had to share this unusual little face in case anyone has a spot. :) Renbury 3020b Is impounded with a very pretty sibling. :) both described as "approx 4 months of age, shy natured" ...wish I could find time to do the cat thread again but I still stalk the pound site lol. There's some gorgeous sweeties at the moment.

Looking at the breeds restricted in other countries (which was an eye opener!) I still don't understand how ANKC papers give any kind of immunity. The pedigree breeders of those dogs probably fought tooth and nail to keep their breeds off the list but they are there all the same.

I've just sent 3kg of preloved to the DOC carer for Walgett, that leaves the pound needing some but most of their med, lge outnumber the smalls except for the numerous litters who need warming up. Nina will know more.

The Federal Government doesn't have an agreement with the ANKC. There is no federal breed specific legisatiion beyond the placement of 4 breeds on the banned from import list. Sorry, I guess people saying their pedigrees would never be affected made me think there was an agreement of sorts. Actually I'm sure I've read it here on Dol somewhere too, by what you're saying that is completely incorrect. I just never thought to ask because it's not my area. :)

What gets a breed on the banned list? Moosmum I was wondering the same thing, really if the federal govt wipes the agreement with the ANKC then they have registered pedigrees on a platter. What is there to stop that happening?

Hello Ben! I hope you like getting photos taken because I demand more! :)

This is what used to happen to my boy. I was able to gently pull on hairs to get the sheath unrolled. I've had to do that too kind of gently unroll it and pull it back into place then add some olive oil or whatever was handy (and dog-lick-safe LOL) I've never seen the OP's problem, but I've heard of a somewhat approximate thing happening in uncircumsised adolescent (boys) where everything is too tight to function the way it should without awful pain, and needed surgical correction.

Yep, dog beds, great way to kill a washing machine like when you jam the polyfill ones in, they tear and wrap the stuffing into the vital bits and fry the motor. lol.

Oh I see. Same person who caused the mess in Wagga?

Original thread link for non-facebookers My link :) IMHO Facebook won't help your cause much. It gets people into a tizzy and the nutters start calling pounds abusing the staff, death threats as well! I'd just take it higher up the ladder of command. A council employee once told me that. Don't complain down, complain up. If she was stolen....do you mean someone is telling you porkies? Be careful!

You get that with pound dogs. I don't care if people can't afford a groomer, this doesn't happen overnight, they can see the knotting begin...get a pair of scissors from Coles and do something!!!

Post #1 is updated :) I'm a bit late sending out my jumpers but will catch up this week.

the suspicious look on your face when pulling the rope out of his pants leg was priceless Worth the trip to Melbourne just to see that!