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i just received a letter from dogs nsw about it, says "within 2 years, you will be required to hold at least a certificate II in animal studies and comply with ongoing training including those who assist in feeding/watering etc" n that applies even if you only have one? correct me if I am wrong, but this does not apply to rspca staff, not even the special constables who have to power to 'form the opinion" an animal should be seized? They only need to be " preferably ex police with prosecution experience willing to undertake animal care course," (the exact words I have copied and pasted from previous employment adds) attend the course, they do not have to pass, this was told to a tafe teacher of the Animal care course

BIT astonished no one has posted or commented? if this is passed no one will be able to keep an entire female unless they can guarantee she will never experience less than 15 deg C or 30 deg C. page 17, don't forget your not allowed to keep them in your home has to be purpose built. many australian homes do not have air conditioning so this will mean only puppy farms with airconditioned facalities on top of all the other demands will be breeding . this does not reduce puppy farms it creates them http://www.nswcfa.asn.au/notices/notices/News/Breeding Dogs and Cats Standards - Consultation draft of POCTA (Breeding Dogs and Cats) Standards 27 October 2017.pdf just spotted this add for a property for sale, the future already up and running, wonder if it has "RSPCA approved" on the gate? http://brilliantbusinesses.com.au/tamaruke/

your comment about people being pressured into surrendering. reminded me of what happened to Marion Alcorn. she had 22 horses on agistment (she bred arabians) received a phone call, better check your horses. when she saw their condition immediately booked trucks to take them to her home where she had 7 acres and hand fed them. she expected the neighbours might call the rspca. what she didn't expect was ten were taken immediately the inspector arrived. he made a phone call, the truck arrived and ten were taken. the really weird part of this was they never came back to check on the remainder? but the ten taken were kept ten weeks and she had to appear in court to face charges of $7,000 for agistment. I went with her and they asked the magistrate could they settle out of court so she and I and them went to a side room and they told her they would waive the $7,000 agistment charge if she signed them over. three times she asked would they promise if she did, they would find good homes for them. She was told each time she asked, they would. she signed. all went back to the magistrate and he was advised settlement had been reached, then the surprise. BUT they still wished to charge her for failure to worm the ten taken? The magistrate, just like the add that was doing the rounds on TV, then replied "its a crime not to worm your horses" this despite the fact they had been seized the day he arrived? when could she have complied? the fine? $7,000 and three months to pay or face jail time. that week many people who knew these horses including me phoned to ask to buy them. to be told every time, they was not available yet. by saturday when told the same thing again, I replied that's ridiculous, they were signed over on Tuesday. they could have been sold from that day? the lady gave a sigh and then said, "well I suppose it wont hurt to tell you, they were sent to McGraths Hill sales this morning". I rang all the people I knew who wanted to rescue these horses and hot tailed it to McGraths Hill myself. I arrived in time to see the seizing Inspector walk into the ring with the first of Marion's mares and tell the Auctioneer "You are to accept bids from no one except the doggers". he then turned on his heel and as he left his parting words were "and they are all mad". Bidding started and the man beside me was bidding so I asked him would he buy them for me and I would pay him a commission. He replied "Doug rang me and asked me to buy them for him as he cant get here in time, lucky im a dogger, they wouldn't have accepted his bids even if he had been here." except when the crenel colt came in he didnt bid and it sold to the qld dogger. He refused to resell so the colt was trucked to qld and slaughtered. I asked him why didnt he bid and he said "Doug only said to buy the mares, " so I asked him to buy the rest for me. so all but one were saved. what shocks me to this day is that inspector became the CEO of RSPCA NSW and still is........... As for Marion, I did not try to contact her until the next day as I was pretty occupied getting them home that afternoon and sorting who got which. by the time I remembered better call Marion she was not answering her phone. I went to her house but although I knew she was there, (her car was in the carport) she would not answer the door or the phone. Tried talking to her through the door hoping she could hear me but no response. it took me many visits none of which had any success in getting her to answer the door. over a month later I happened to arrive as she was walking home from the shops with food, did I finally get to talk to her. Frankly she had lost it. After I calmed her down, learnt that the day they had gone to McGraths Hill she had received a phone call advising her all ten had been slaughtered for dog meat. She said the caller did not say their name, but that they were calling on behalf of the RSPCA after that she said the guilt of having signed them to their deaths, it was as if her mind exploded, she has lived as a hermit from that day and even though she trusts me and will answer the door is still very nervous and has PTSD and OCD ever since. But then the way it is now if you have animals and that vehicle is parked outside your gate all rights to "innocent until proven guilty" just went out the door.

WHY there has not been a huge public outcry has me totally baffled? Dont people realise they could be next? or is joe public so brainwashed they really still believe only the guilty have their pets taken??????

I just realised something? the very organisation that the politicians listen to and draft legislation accordingly as per the "Code of practice for dog breeders" No one seems to have twigged or gone mental over is the fact that they have now applied to be permitted to sell seized animals that are pending court proceedings before the matter goes to court on the grounds that to keep these animals in their facility is not in its best interests because of the fact such cases do not go to court in less than 2 years from the date of seizure. That their facilities are not suitable for long term . I think it was on a forum that they will sell them within 3 months of seizure to prevent repeats of the medical disaster of injuries and temperament damage recorded by the Roxy case? Haven't the cattle dogs seized in Victoria already been sold, pending the outcome of the court hearing? Even if their owners won, their dogs are already desexed and gone. Yet aren't those facilities in accordance with the 'Code of Practice for dog breeders" that they demand breeders have to build instead of the homes they used to enjoy with their owners? no one seems to have realised this? Are they admitting the facilities they have, are not in accordance with the said Code or are they admitting the very pens they demand breeders build to a minimum standard set by them are not suitable for long time residence? no grassed area to play in or saints forbid, dusty ground to dig in, just easily disinfected hard on the legs and body concrete. Mind you once said concrete pens are built then is that not what it is said by some people, defines a puppy farm?

so many good points made by so many. I think what shocked me the most in that legislation victoria tried to push through was the assumption that any breeder had only two options they would choose for their retired breeding dogs, rehome or euthanasia? thanks to the idiot laws on how many you are allowed to have now. its assumed you have no wish or thanks to that if it had become law no right to keep them for the rest of their lives like the population can keep the puppy or dog they bought solely as a pet. Well I have news for the rest of the population, just because you breed your dog doesn't mean its any less loved as your pet! Dogs same as so many domestic species serve a purpose way beyond whatever else reason they are kept, the new buzz word is "therapy" dog, cat, horse etc. Domestic animals, especially dogs have been "therapy dogs" for thousands of years, not just the few years that the amazing contribution they make to improving quality of life for the people who have them, how many times have we heard someone say after trauma both psychical or mental that their pet "saved my life"? Simply by being there and giving comfort the second they sense their human is suffering whatever? Moosesmum is right about the kc's being their own worst enemy. I know it didn't take me long to realise after becoming a member very few actually knew much about genetics or breeding for health. the majority love their dogs, love to show and want to win. If winning means selecting for shorter and shorter faces, bigger and bigger eyes, less and less ability to self whelp then so be it. as for hernia's, when I queried on breeder why all her's had anything from one to three hernias, ie navel and groin, she replied no way am i going to keep second best just because its hernia free! she even went on to say "I doubt within 12 years you will be able to find a hernia free cavalier". I had been looking for a puppy for my sister, as she had asked me to find a nice puppy for her. I was miffed she didnt want one of my chihuahuas but did her bidding and trying to find a hernia free puppy, let alone a hernia free litter took me 6 months. that was over 20 years ago now. It did prompt me to decide to prove her wrong and I certainly did, but all that achieved was to have war declared on me by the show fraternity, because I didn't show them just sold them for what they were actually bred for in the first place... pets. Even worse, as they were very sound, both hernia and mitral valve free, I hoped some would continue the lines so were sold on main register in hopes the lines would be continued. interestingly 99% were desexed by their happy owners as they didn't want to breed. yet try and find a kennel that will sell a puppy on main register? the stats show the story, the number of breeders is declining the number of puppies is declining, the pedigree dog is imploding and will soon qualify for the endangered list. the number of times the rspca were called to check on my dogs at some stages was an average of every fortnight, was on first name terms with the inspectors by the time they told me not to worry the next time they would be charging the caller with stalking or harassment. But that rspca no longer exists its now a peta clone. once I realised the danger after the stringy incident I gave up and dispersed both my chihuahua's and the cavaliers. The biggest danger to an ankc member is their fellow members. The rspca is used as the weapon of choice to eliminate anyone that another member thinks or decides doesn't belong and in their opinion is really a backyard breeder. bit like a kangaroo court but the target doesn't know they have been tried and convicted till the knocks on the door start. I became a member in 1978 and it was about 1980 that Betty Stepkovitch and Nancy Gate began telling me how much damage backyard breeders were doing to the reputation of pedigree dogs. even then I asked them, how do you define a backyard breeder, when everyone has a backyard? Well its 39 years later and so far I still do not see a definite description? it was about then the "ethical" became the watch word too. An ethical breeder always showed their dogs, an ethical breeder never sold their puppy with registration papers or it would fall into the hands of puppy farmers. Neither Betty or Nancy agreed with what they were hearing and telling me was now being said among members, both encouraged newbies to become members and keep the lines they had continuing into the future. They loved showing and worried about me as I quickly lost interest in the show scene, my pet hate was the sentence in the chi standard that said "in the case of equal merit the more diminutive preferred" it only took me 3 shows to realise the majoity of judges didnt bother with the "equal merit" bit but just selected from the smallest in the class. so when they heard the murmerings about me being a puppy farmer because I didn't show mine any more would take one of mine and show it for me. Ok so a few with my prefix became australian champions, in chips case he was the 3rd best of my three stud boys. but what it it achieve? he was still the same dog and all he did was stop the reall showies dogs achieving their Ch in front of their names sooner. The two we didn't show were still better than chip? the lack of Ch in front of their name made no difference to their genetics or their abiltiy to sire beautiful sound puppies? But then as now the vast majority just want a pet. Breeding is hard work not just time, but emotionally. Few cope. decades ago there was some research done and I think less than 10% who joined were still members after 5 years and the remaining 10% tended to be in their 60"s. now with the plethora of dead end kennels who only sell limit and a high proportion already desexed, the only place you will be finding most of the breeds someone looking for a puppy wants to buy, will be from a non member . I don't think the ank's will fold, once the numbers of registered dogs falls to near extinction level, they will do the same as they did for the stumpy tailed cattledog, open a register for breeding up to purebred status so all probably is not lost. there are probably a couple of hundred thousand purebred but unregistered's for every registered dog of that breed out there in backyard land anyway. as for x breds millions. the future will be interesting as it unfolds, although I doubt I will be around long enough to see it. my vet is of the opinion without puppy farms people will be unable to find a pet without a ten year waiting list the way its going at present . If he is right we will be seeing the same "RSPCA APPROVED" logo appearing on breeders gates same as the chook and pig etc farms are paying for. its all about income not welfare for PETA/RSPCA now.

Every one of you nailed it, nothing wrong with the puppy she is training her human. Owner is male and is way too soft in every way spent an hour just teaching him to tell her to sit, he talks her with that please do it tone, he has lost with the first word, she she see's 'sucker' in capital letters on him

can anyone recommend a dog trainer near castle hill? a disrespectful puppy and a way too soft owner is not a good combination. beginning to suspect he would listen to another man better than a woman.

Pity the ANKC's didnt bring everyone together but if it succeeds the other 80% of dogs in this country (thats the percentage mentioned in the story) will be represented, but somehow I suspect they comprise over 96% of dogs australia wide, more like it. http://www.latrobevalleyexpress.com.au/story/4997523/tv-icon-gets-behind-breeders-association/

Our family had a lovely border collie that went that way and became dangerous, it was as if he didnt recognise anyone sometimes and attacked. a mri found brain damage

This is way we need to get back acceptance of pets in a household, they have been assistance providers for thousands of years. so many places do not allow pets anymore. more's the pity.

spotted this and the link on Facebook " Killing. It's what they love to do Sold her SEVEN pups for ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS each. Then killed her. " http://savingpets.com.au/blog/lucy

My cousin and one of my best friends, yep married into the family she liked us so much. are raising their third guide puppy, they love doing it

He is lucky it was only a chihuahua. anyone else remember one of the first people to get a face transplant was because their dog had eaten their face while they had been unconscious? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-who-underwent-worlds-first-8779087

the reason my parents never let me go anywhere without my dads cattle dog Blue at my side, I would be handed a note for the grocer and the money and off down to the shop, people would cross the road if they were comming the other way took me a while to realise blue would smile at them at the 30 foot mark and they crossed the road. my daugher was given Debbie by hilton singclair when she was born and she did exactly the same. never had to worry when to went to play with Debbie at her side. When our eldest son brought home his new baby daughter and he and his wife went for their first walk with her in her pram at 3 days old, Benny and rosie positioned them selves either side of the pram and to Pauls astonishment people would cross the road as they walked towards them, he wondered what was going on so crossed the road and walked ahead and watched benny and rosie. I got a phone call to tell he he had always thought my story about blue had been childhood bullshit, now he knows its not, benny and rosie were doing exactly the same thing... Australias best kept secret, ACD's The best thing that happened to the non pedigree acd was the bogans switched to importing and breeding apb's, they stopped breeding for acd's that bite anyone on sight. probably not politically correct but I think we all know in the wrong hands the results are disaster for both the dog and other people

Just learned tonight this parasite can kill people? My neighbour's husband was an orthopaedic surgeon and he pointed to a beautiful boy and told her, he would die soon. he had been dared to eat a slug. the parasite destroyed his brain. A friend who is a vet, sent me this. "Horses too , Angiostrongylus cantonensis - the rat lungworm. There are oftern small snails in water troughs and they can carry it too, foals and young horses more frequently affected than adults. And Humans I believe. Take home message - no slugs or snails in the diet, at least not uncooked! https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/angiostrongylus/index.html CDC - Angiostrongylus Education and information about Angiostrongyliasis, Angiostrongylus cantonensis, Angiostrongylus costaricensis, eosinophilic gastroenteritis, and eosinophilic meningitis including information on prevention and control, epidemiology, diagnosis, treatment, and resources for health professionals." CDC.GOV "

So Excited 11 purebred cattle puppies will be taking over the set with Chris Brown and Amanda Keller. awesome advertising for purebred puppies eh. A great segment not to be missed as he discusses the dangers of snails and slugs to your dog and how to protect your dog

very true, that is the hard part. very had not to keep wishing, if only someone had come by, if only she had something she could have used as a tournaquate I know for me even when I saw all the blood was suprised and I realised i obviously could be in trouble but by then I didnt care, too sleepy. i know when i was better realised how lucky i was born now and not in the years of only horse and buggy, would have died that day. so the rest of my life has been a gift I would never have had if I had been born in the eara I like better than all the high tech stuff lol even the net, to think my grandparents still had horses and sulkies up until just before I was born, my mums horse won champion Harness horse at sydney royal in 1938 I think is the year on his ribbon? have to go check, my dad was still delivering ice because there were no fridges and here I am talking to you over a system me, my parents and certainly never my grandparents could ever envisige eh?

Yes, so true, so many horse rescues want to "save" everything. and other people not even in rescue put so much pressure on someone who wants to sell a horse they no long want because they are afraid of it, they tell the poor person that they have committed to that horses care for life when they bought it and they "cant just throw it away" when they want to sell it. they are big and potentially deadly if they want to be.

actually bleeding out is quite a peaceful way to go, you just feel cold and increasingly sleepy, I remember being quite annoyed when the doctors kept waking me up all I wanted was to be left alone and sleep, had no idea how much I had been bleeding after a miscarriage, by the time I arrived at the hospital all I wanted to do was sleep. It was only later I learned how close things came to death . felt so peaceful not even the sight of all the blood on the stretcher sheets when they moved me, worried me a jot

this is the very reason I so dislike the trend to always blame the breeder or the owner when a dog goes bad. you really will never know the cause for the majority and that is not the first time a brain tumour or damage is behind it. we had a beautiful border collie who was kicked in the head by a friends horse when he was 9 months old, raced to the vet we thought he was a goner, but the vet rang the next morning to say he had removed a 20 shilling size piece of shattered bone from his skull and he was up and happy this morning, when would we like to pick him up. he had a line of stitches and a slump in his skin where the bone was missing but fine for the next 5 years before things began to change. he began to look intently at people, typical collie stare to control the sheep but a menace was there in his eyes too. He took to jumping the fence and it was 6 foot paling fence and rounding up the people who walked down to the bus stop and holding them in the park beside the bus stop, we would have to catch him and bring him home, at first everyone thought it was funny and so did we but when they ignored him and went to board the bus he began to show his teeth and threaten them. One day I came home in the rain umbrella up and he came over the fence and came at me staring at me like he was mad, it was very scarey, I called his name but he made no hint he heard or recognised me. He plainly wanted me to not move but I took a step forward and he leapt for my face or throat, not sure which and I screamed his name at him and in midair he reacted and twisted sideways to not hit me and ran home very distressed. We took him straight to the vet and he said he had developed I forget what he said it was, scarinng? anyway he kept him overnight and he said he was having a form of fitting where he would recognise the vet one minute and then not recognise anyone and move to attack them, he believe during these sessesions he was in a great deal of pain and he was put down. There is too much of a blame game going on with the people who say no animal becomes bad unless someone is to blame, and people persavere with what could and in that ladys case end up so tragic. no one seems to have mentioned it here , but I was at a lesson day yesterday and two said the reports have come back he bit her on her legs and struck an artery and she bled out. Poor lady.

when i was a child a neighbour was killed by his dog. he had come home in the pouring rain in a new coat and rushed through the side gate in a hurry to get out of the rain. his dog was startled and went straight for the throat. he only bit once as the second he had he realised who he was and let go immediately but problem was he had hit the juglular, is wife saw it but the ambulance arrived too late. just pure bad luck regardless of breed although the bigger the dog the more chance, his dog was a german shepherd. the dog was a devestated as the wife she believed , well that is what she told my mum and she did not have him put down and died of old age some 10 years later n had never bitten anyone else since although perhaps that might be more catagerised as a freak accident? she took and risk and was lucky

my mum had a standard poodle and she was awesome with kids, so much so se think she saved the life of my friends 3yr old. Tammie LOVED water, we had a pool, yet mum and my friend were having a cup of tea and her son began crying, investigation found he and nipped outside when no one was looking and he was at the bottom of the stairs. tammie was standing beside him, mum thought he was afraid of her so told her to go inside. not long later he began crying again, but still no idea why.although tammy was beside him again. so mum and marilyn decided to watch from a window. soon as he thought they had gone he headed straight for the pool. it was an above ground and mum had removed the stairs. but he had stacked things against the side they had not noticed. he began to climb his makshift ladder and tammie came running, took his arm in her mouth and led him back to the stairs and he began crying. tammie got so many hugs she was thrilled to bits, as for tony he got a talking to and a smack (child abuse was rife in those days) its decades now but we are still amazed tammie didnt just jump in with him but somehow knew he should not go in and saved him from am almost sure drowning as he had not learnt to swim

Blue can manifest in a zillion shades, from darkest blue black to pale and everywhere in between, my vote is hes a dark blue. forgot to add, a blue does not have a black nose, its a different shade, paler than black and unmistakably not black. so? What shade is his nose? my silver boy had a black nose, a chocolate has a brown nose.

incredibly difficult situation, having been a breeder since 1978 I sure have sold a puppy to a pet home that I later regretted. Although in my case I never reneged on the sale, just hoped one as good would turn up in the next litter. Although in hindsight it rarely does happen. Also tend to console myself with the fact that so many people will see what a stunner it is can come looking for one as nice and they sure have. put it down to the fun and the frustration of being a breeder. Every litter is a new book, as is every puppy. This looks like one breeder who has had second and third thoughts after the event and decided she can't go through with the sale. I can understand why she has done it, but she had first pick in the first place, so pretty unfair to renig now, I don't think she has done the right thing by you. I expect your too upset about all this to even think about taking a second look at the puppy she had intended keeping originally? how cute is he? it could still turn out he could end up the best puppy too, and if you get him end up still having the last laugh...... its sooooo hard to accurately asses puppies under 8 weeks. the story of the ugly duckling has a basis on fact remember.