pandypam Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Hi Grafton show soc is planning on holding small animal markets each month, this will include domestic animals. There is a 156 long discussion going on at the moment on FB http://www.facebook.com/groups/240342079348017/. I have been defending reg breeders and trying to get the message through to the many BYBs and their supporters on this site but it would be great if some good breeders were to add their comments as to why they wouldn't take their pups to flog at the local markets. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I've put my two bobs worth in, especially seeing that it is my council area considering allowing this....I am disgusted with it The mayor of Grafton is a friend of my OH's so I will be giving him an ear full when I see him next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Just feels like things keep going backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdie Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) . .A slap in the face for the welfare of animals... ...,, Edited April 19, 2012 by Purdie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
❤LovesPoodles❤ Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I can't believe a council would even consider this! Don't they see the numbers in their pounds? I don't have facebook but went and read it and cannot believe the number of people who think its good and believe BYB do the right thing 90% of the time etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 parklea markets near me has been selling pups for years at at least 2 stalls, and one has very exotic pups, bostons, chi's, cresties, BB. Its an aweful site to see them in cages being poked all weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 This world is screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 They should be legislating against this rather than going after how people bloody advertise - its a world gone mad and a disgrace to any council in this day and age who allows it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandypam Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 Thanks, Its impossible to get through to them !, they seem to think they are doing nothing to contribute at all to the unwanted domestic animals situation and are more then happy to take them along to a market or pet shop. Lots of personal attacks happening now please add your comment to as I cant speak for any breeders only to say that alot do the right thing where as BYBs all do the wrong thing imo http://www.facebook.com/groups/240342079348017/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 People need educating. If the buying stops these practices will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) Partially vaccinated or completely unvaccinated pups being handled by members of the public and no doubt with other adult dogs on site on the day. Best recipe for a parvo outbreak I could come up with. Talk about a high risk environment. Nice work council. If rangers turned up to check every pup for sale for a microchip, things might be interesting though. ;) Edited April 19, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Fox 001 Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I would be interested to know just how many people turn up and how many animals are available for sale and actually get sold. Will you go Pandy? I hope the RSPCA do turn up just because it might scare some away, although we all know what a toothless tiger they are, certainly many members of the general public don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Gosh a few of them are twits the mind boggles.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheena Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I would be interested to know just how many people turn up and how many animals are available for sale and actually get sold. Will you go Pandy? I hope the RSPCA do turn up just because it might scare some away, although we all know what a toothless tiger they are, certainly many members of the general public don't. I won't be going...& I will no longer support the rest of the market if this goes ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) I hope the RSPCA do turn up just because it might scare some away, although we all know what a toothless tiger they are, certainly many members of the general public don't. Seems that the RSPCA has been stating their concerns to the Show Society. Even though the sale of puppies & kittens in markets is covered in NSW law as legal (along with pet shops). However, the RSPCA says that there could be breaches of current welfare laws that they could find (as others have suggested in this thread). http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/story/2012/04/19/rspca-scrutinies-pet-sales-grafton/ In a perfect world, I'd like to see the RSPCA, registered breeders' group, rescues and a consumers' group, combine to put on a Responsible Adoption Awareness Program at a Small Animal Market, like this one. Where information and guidelines are given to the public.... on responsibly adopting puppies, kittens or mature age dogs & cats. Which would also explain why none are available for adoption, at this market day. (A perfect world is one where pigs would fly.) There already are quite fair guidelines on how to buy a puppy or dog, ethically....set out by an independent body, CHOICE (formerly Australian Consumers' Association). Maybe the Grafton Show Society could have a look at them to see that 'markets' aren't among the advised sources. http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-and-tests/household/backyard/pets/buying-a-dog.aspx Edited April 19, 2012 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Gifts Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Oh dear. I can think of a no more stressful situation for any animal than to be carted to a market, stuck in a cage or confined space for several hours on display and exposed to all those different hands and noises, probably in the heat. How does that have an animal's best interests at heart? I wont even take my dogs to my small local market for a walk because I think it is sensory overload. This is really an archaic way to sell any small animal and it has to encourage people looking for an easy way to make money. That we don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Its an absolute disgrace - 50 times more risky and worse than any pet shop . At least a pet shop is stationary and you can find them again and have a base to lodge a complaint etc these people race in sell the dogs and disappear. Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Maybe that's the approach to use. The risk of fly by nighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 The new Inverell livestock markets had a heap of pups in boxes turn up, I had to walk away...just couldn't bear it. and the local FB sell,swap & buy group is wall to wall byb I try to educate where I can, but either hostile or deaf ears. as someone said, it does feel like we are going backwards. fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) I wonder what the Dpt of Fair Trading would say about any responsibility to consumers that organisers of markets have....re actions of sellers & condition of 'products' (small animals in this case). There are consumer rights in relation to dealings with stores and companies. But what about markets? Seems markets are covered. It says market stall holders must supply certain information about 'products' to consumers. Also covers use of names & business names & when to register with Dpt of Fair Trading. http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Businesses/Specific_industries_and_businesses/Market_stall_holders.html Edited April 19, 2012 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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