Man Attacked By Dogs That Escaped Sydney Home

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https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-dog-attack-leppington-man-hospital/18d92776-e0ab-4158-9655-4795e439aa5d

[tdierikx]

2 reports of Rottweiler attacks in less than a week... looks like there will be calls to ban them too soon... grrr!

 

T.

[sandgrubber]

2 minutes ago, tdierikx said:

2 reports of Rottweiler attacks in less than a week... looks like there will be calls to ban them too soon... grrr!

 

T.

Wish there was a good way to ban breeders who go for aggressive.   Many Rottis are sweethearts.   Same with other suppositivily dangerous breeds.

[Amazetl]

Not sure there should be calls to total bans when this sort of thing happens. It’s a higher percentage than a lot of other breeds yes and historically too but breeders tried hard to fix up aggressive lines and now I imagine these dogs are probably backyard bred or something. 

 

More needs to be looked into lines and allowing people who want powerful dogs better management skills, perhaps a short info course, must be from trusted lines, etc. Rather than a total ban. Bans probably do work somewhat in AU but bans often just make the wrong sort go under ground. 

 

There has to be much more that can be done without jumping to a total ban, and much more that would be more effective and educational. 

 

Edited to add. More needs to be done to prevent dogs from escaping, there should be penalties or something. Bystanders should never be subject to a loose dog coming over to them. It’s not fair and can have devastating consequences. Crack that down first before calls for whole breed bans. 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Amazetl

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Covid puppies factor also. Not just large breeds and not just aggression.

So many were first time dogs, and weren't able to be properly socialised or even attend classes for the owners to learn how to manage their dogs maturing into adults. 

[Amazetl]

That’s true about covid dogs missing out on a lot of socialisation perhaps with people who ordinarily wouldn’t have been dog owners and didn’t get the training or support they need themselves. Don’t forget how so many backyard breeders jumped on high costs of puppies to make profits so a lot of the younger dogs out there aren’t properly bred either. 

[Mairead]

Quite a few humans aren't properly bred, socialised and educated.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2023 by Mairead

[Rebanne]

3 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

Wish there was a good way to ban breeders who go for aggressive.   Many Rottis are sweethearts.   Same with other suppositivily dangerous breeds.

The "breeders" of these types of dogs won't be able to be found

[Loving my Oldies]

2 hours ago, Mairead said:

Quite a few humans aren't properly bred, socialised and educated.

 

 

The world's population is approx 7 billion, so probably at least 6.5 billion would fit into that category  

[Loving my Oldies]

5 hours ago, sandgrubber said:

Wish there was a good way to ban breeders who go for aggressive.   Many Rottis are sweethearts.   Same with other suppositivily dangerous breeds.

And I can attest to that having been a volunteer at a pound in another lifetime.   

[tdierikx]

As someone who is waiting patiently for a well-bred and sound tempered Rotti from an amazing breeder of same, I'll be really ticked off if the government decides to ban the breed before I get the chance to share my life with him. I'll be even more ticked off if once I do have him in my life, the law changes to make it impossible for me to share him with others as a great example of a well bred member of his breed.

 

I have owned Rotti's from virtually every breeding background over the years, and none of mine have ever shown any human aggression or dominance, or any other negative trait... in fact most have been quite the opposite, soft natured goofballs who just want love and cuddles, and to drape themselves over the furniture and snore like chainsaws... lol!

 

T.

[Amazetl]

I think the problem is that what if the recent attacks that happened were also never showing any prior signs and then it just happened due to circumstances? Or was it more breeding aggression into the lines? Were there signs before? 

 

I don’t know how popular they are but of course there are way more that never do anything than those who do. Banning them is like trying to bury something under a rug and not think of it. It would be better to figure out why it happens sometimes and how to address those incidents more to prevent it from happening. 

[tdierikx]

9 hours ago, Amazetl said:

I think the problem is that what if the recent attacks that happened were also never showing any prior signs and then it just happened due to circumstances? Or was it more breeding aggression into the lines? Were there signs before?

 

For an attack this serious, there would have been some sign that something wasn't all sunshine and roses - in both Rottweiler attack scenarios... unfortunately, some (read most) people aren't equipped to realise that a problem is brewing until it's too late. Then there are those people who source certain breed types because they think they need some sort of "tough" pet, and they don't socialise the dogs because that would take the "mean" out of them... *sigh*

 

T.

[persephone]

I did notice the two which attacked their female owner had very 'tough' names...and the older one was described as 'protective' ...

[Mairead]

Son's dogs (hence the names) that mum is left with because son has 'moved house'? Only guessing.

If you read the Wikipedia details of fatal attacks (caution: the references are usually newspapers) it often seems like there were signs beforehand - dog had attacked owner previously - or, in the case of young children and babies, left unsupervised. 

[Diva]

If you mean the ones in Perth Mairead then no, not left with her, the owner was only 31 and the breeder of one of the dogs has spoken and it was sold directly to her, it sounds like as a pup. 

[Mairead]

I can't keep up with all the dog attack threads. (sigh)

 

Edited September 21, 2023 by Mairead

[tdierikx]

The behaviour described by the neighbour where one dog came to see what was happening at the fence when the other dog was jumping up at said neighbour, but then going back to maul the owner some more, is not normal behaviour in my realm of experience with the breed. I could understand if the 2 dogs went back to fighting each other, but to continue attacking a person once the other dog was distracted... not normal at all.

 

As for the names of the 2 dogs - Bronx and Harlem - I don't think they are necessarily "tough" names... albeit not names I'd choose, as they are kinda stereotypical for the breed.

 

We will probably never know what the real trigger was for this particular attack, which is a shame, because knowing what the causes are for something like this can help predict or curtail that sort of thing in the future... but hey, let's just ban them all because one or two haven't been shining examples of the perfect dog.

 

T.

[Diva]

I agree tdierikx, the dog breaking off then resuming the attack really struck me too. I‘m not clear if a fight between the dogs did start things, I think it’s speculation from people trying to work out what happened. I’m not sure if witnesses saw the second dog bite her either. But that shot dog showed some chilling behaviour. I hope they did a necropsy.