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Fingers crossed all goes well

Stellnme and Teekay your posts bought me to tears. Hugs to you both.

I think this applies to everyone. I have seen DOler's on here that I wanted to shake and say can't you see what you are doing? I have seen rescuer's that I also want to shake. I've PTS because of broken bodies and once because of a broken mind. I never worry that I went too early because animals don't understand the concept of time, I regret the one I went too late on.

https://heartofphoenix.org/2016/12/31/what-is-so-broken-in-people-that-causes-us-to-often-hold-onto-suffering-animals-for-too-long/ One of the biggest challenges of animal stewardship is to let them go when their quality of life diminishes. It can diminish with age, disease, injury or lack of adoption if they are living in poor quality conditions while they wait. It is NEVER when we want to accept it has diminished. Our pets and companion animals do not dream about tomorrow. I think most of us know better than that. They live in the here, the now. They try to survive because biology begs them to do so from a time when their species’ or ancestors’ survival meant they limped along regardless of life quality on their own, in the wild. Look into nature now if you have doubts about whether this is true. Not to diminish the value of the lives of our dogs, cats, horses and so forth, but they do not set goals they work to achieve through their lives. They do not dream of spending their golden years with grandchildren, children or the like. They do not worry about what happens in the afterlife. They do not worry about how we will go on without them. These are reasons people cling even when they suffer, if they do at all. Our animals live in the yesterday and the today. If the current days are painful, but the people who ‘own’ them or are owned by them keep searching for ways to manage their pain or keep them breathing, the animal is not a beneficiary, usually. Some are entirely unable to see their pets without rose colored glasses when they are chronically ill or so aged they are slipping away slowly, only being held on by a person’s sheer will to never let them go. Sometimes in rescue, rescuers know better, but the donors and public push them to save the animals at all costs. . .often at the cost of the dignity of the animal. I’ve seen posts about extremely senior animals in questionable body condition having strokes with rescuers saying, “She isn’t ready, yet.” But some of us know better. Sadly, this type of story resonates with donors who are commenting and giving without trying to consider what a tragedy is unfolding. Personally and in rescue, I watch these heart-rending stories take place so often, it breaks my heart and makes me question humanity sometimes because I’ve seen truly inhumane things take place in the name of rescue and “saving.” Each time I see this, animals pay the price of a person’s wild idealism and lack of fortitude. We are generally apt to outlive our animals. Being able to make the right call is something we need to decide if we can do early on. This means before we go into rescue, too. That old saying. . .”Better a day early than a minute too late” could not be more true. Animals suffer, and in the rescue community, the small amount of resources donated to organizations are spent in unwise ways to save the unsave-able or those that would, if asked, rather not be kept alive given their degree of suffering. . . while animals that could be saved with a great life quality die alone, unloved and unaided. Over and over again. This doesn’t mean to not spend a lot of money to save the obviously savable or even the likely savable. And this isn’t black and white. There is a grey area, and I LEAVE that to you, those that know the animal and the experts in the vet world. I speak not only of physical health. I speak about mental health, as well. To put an animal through years of living in a crate alone hoping someone will some day come to adopt, to put them through months of painful recovery with a small chance recovery will ever come offering good life quality. . .to limp them along in their old age when their backs and bodies and hearts are failing because WE can’t let go. . .these are injustices. These are about human weakness, and we need to ask ourselves why we do it. Why? It would tell us a lot about who we are, really. We probably need to know why. Animals depend on us to make the hard choices they are powerless to make for themselves. How can we make smart, decent and kind choices for humanity if we can’t do so for our pets or our rescued creatures? Of course, some say let nature take its course in these cases, but I think we know that isn’t kind, if we are fair. If we don’t see that, it is a whole other debate for another time. We know factually that many chronically ill humans and elderly humans beg to just be let go and while this isn’t about human choice in that matter, we are aware that even with the weight of the afterlife on their minds, the heaviness of their dreams, their children, their tomorrows on their minds. . .pain and suffering, even when managed, becomes too great in people. How much more it must be for the animals living only in the yesterday and today? How much greater in animals biologically designed for a millennia to hide pain at all costs for self preservation. . . I think back on a rescue Pyr I loved dearly. Carly began wasting away before my eyes. We tested her for everything our vet recommended. We tried everything as she wasted away and became a shell. I will always feel I waited too long, though some would say I called it too soon. I know better. The vet said we could open her up and search more, and I looked at her body that had shed 40lbs in a month, and I said, “No.” It was enough. She didn’t know what was happening. She was scared. Someone who was weak might not have been able to see it, but I knew. I could do no more to her. I never had an answer, but I let her go with tears and hugs and kisses galore. I wish I could have been stronger to not worry her with even that show of emotion. It was selfish to worry her in the last moments with tears. She didn’t understand. Some would say I should have kept on and on. . .and that is the crux of the issue. It would have been for me at that point, not her. . . to keep on searching. Chat Conversation End While it isn’t entirely black and white, and sometimes your gut says something you need to listen to beyond reason, this isn’t typical. Sometimes it is right and the odds are beat and many years of amazing life quality if achieved, but all I am asking is we really, really pause and ask ourselves is it something in ourselves that is pushing for more days, months or years out of the animal we share our lives with or rescued? We try very hard, and sometimes we do fail, to be sure that the choices we make at Heart of Phoenix have the animal’s long term interests at and in “our” hearts. We looks for a high quality of life that is lived pain free and the ability to have a life where their environment is healthy, kind and secure.

I don't know what the going price is for a Bully but I find that suspicious. Of course the Mum is from a pure blood line; or should be. Are they are registered breeder? I have myself, previuosly given a ball park figure for a litter but the bitch hadn't even been bred at the time. I'd never change my price once pups were on the ground. They knew what semen they were using when the bitch got pregnant. I'd be checking that they are registered breeders with their state's governing body, I'd be seeing if the is a breed club in your state, I'd want to see proof of any health tests they have done. A breed club would be able to help you know if and what health tests should be undertaken on the parents and on the pups i.e do mainly white pups need the Baer? hearing tests?

it isn't. Adult dogs get this as well. My old girl had it and while I didn't feed her upright I did a lot of things to help her out. In the end she was miserable so was PTS.

You are in Victoria? Cause the State under your profile pic says Queensland which is the default. I'd be making contact with breeders and and getting to know them, and they to know you. Health tests don't always guarantee you don't end up with a problem. I'd be looking at how old grand parents and great grandparents are and what their health is like for starters. You might meet some resistance on getting a good quality bitch pup as most breeders would be wary of "oodle" breeders trying to get one of their pups. You need to be very open and honest.

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Must have been an elephant ear to get down to 5 inches square. I doubt there will be a problem but just be on the look out for a bit of funny poo, either extra hard or extra soft.

Kittens are desexed from 8 weeks old so if you want to get your girl done I suggest you find another vet. You girl might be having a false pregnancy. An ultrasound will tell the story.

Why don't you try and get the dog into your name only? If you have proof that the other owner is no longer a member of an ANKC state body you should be able to get the dog into your name only. Is there a contract anywhere that states the dog must live with you? If not why can't it live with your family member but still be owned by yourself?

as I just said on FB no breeder worth their salt would send a pup by plane to a new owner without being in close contact with a new owner. And I mean like in 12 hours before the plane was to leave.

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you can send your xrays to who ever you like, and as often as you like :laugh: I would never send xrays to Dr Lavelle, once was enough. I believe Dr Richardson? from WA is quite good.

I do all that with my pups but yet to my surprise, Phoebe who is nearly 2 1/2, at the last fireworks we had, was greatly upset by them. I was out in the yard with both dogs feeding them treats but Phoebe was snatching them out of my hand and running to the back door throwing herself onto it. As I was going to work I did let them both in and crated her for the night. New Years Eve I plan to be outside again with them to gauge her reaction.

The Iams one gave me Basenji 64%, Pondengo (wire) 60%, Greyhound 58%, Azawazh 58%, Toy Fox Terrier 56% and Whippet 56% as my top 6 choices. What part of very large, smooth coat and no exercise do they not get? There is only one breed on that list that I might consider instead of a greyhound and a couple I wouldn't own in a pink fit! Total disaster for both dog and human.

very similar to what I got and I said large/giant, smooth coat, no exercise and left alone for 20 hours a week. There was nothing on my list I would go out and buy.

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nothing wrong with a sheet or polar fleece blankie and a few pegs! I've even used a tarp pegged around the crates at winter shows to help keep the body heat in.

How big is Thistle compared to a greyhound? I've always used 48" crates for my greyhounds and found that size to be reasonable for most of them. The Shitty Whippet has a 36" crate and she's an 11kg whippet, so I'd think that size crate would be way too small for Thistle (judging just from how big she looks in photos, anyway). Shes a little bit shorter and not quite as long but could probably pass as a small knock off greyhound ???? PK I had not thought about laying on side... thank you for the link. Having never owned a crate before it is hard to picture what we will need ???? I use 48 inch crates for my greys at home and 42 inch at shows. The 48 is heaps of room for my 75cm, 36 kilo boy. The 42 inch is also good, he can lay on his side etc, I just prefer the bigger one for home use. Mind you they very rarely have the door shut on the home ones. I'm happy to have my dogs in the 42 inch for 3 days at a time while away at shows.

If it's not down by 3 months then that's it as far as I am concerned. Had a pup that was to go OS but only had one down at 3 months and while the overseas person was happy to wait a bit longer I wasn't. He was going to be used at stud and I didn't think he was suitable. Sold as a pet/show and was desexed at 12 months and shown in neuter class for his title. Missing testicle never came down. Both found at 7 weeks.

as fas as I am aware you can't show any imported dog until all his paperwork has been transferred into your name with your states controlling body. Which can't happen until the dog has landed. I suggest very strongly that you ring and speak to them. Also, while quarantine is now only 10 days not all dogs come out of there in good condition.

if you do take the puppy, please get it vet checked asap. He/she will need 4 or 5 meals a day.It will most likely need to be wormed as it sounds like the "breeders" are not exactly ethical. I would not vaccinate at the same time as worming. Once the pup has settled in, get your friends to bring their dogs to your place rather then you take the puppy to them. Don't dispare. I got a pup at 4 weeks old ( due to bad circumstances ) and she turned out fine. What you will need to work on is bite inhibition. Take your pup out for car rides, park in a busy place and let them see life from the safety of your car/lap. Read, read and read some more!

you need to keep in mind that all breeds of dogs can suffer from epilepsy and for many of them it is idiopathic - cause unknown. This guy does breed many many dogs and it's no surprise one or two have epilepsy, whether it's because of poor breeding choices or idipathic who knows. Best wishes to you and your boy. It's not an easy road you will travel, my best friend has had an epileptic dog and it wasn't easy for either of them.