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The QH has morphed too. this is the original King ranch horses and Wimpy. have to hang out till the 4 minute mark to see them actually moving not just posed. and this is the first legend to change them http://www.circledhorses.com/three_bars_story.htm Before Impressived changed everything into a whole different tangent These are horses, I admit, but should we question what changes/improvments are done to any breed or species promoted under the banner of "improved"?

The dogs I grew up with were along the lines of Hector v Linksreim. If the modern dropped back end is better than him, then why hasn't every shepherding breed lost is back end down to the ground? Fact is someone somewhere decided to morph the standard and label the result as "improved" Some agree its an improvement. the percentage who agree and who disagree would be interesting. But if you want to show it v pet, then cant rock the boat now the ship has sailed Hector is the first dog in the link below. for two entirely different species , he and Rahma (the pony pictured below) are remarkably similar prior to the improvement of his breed. ditto for the quarter horse of the 1960 compared to the photos of the world champions of 2016. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=EARLY+GERMAN+SHEPHERDS&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&imgil=ZB0em8yYGYuulM%3A%3Bo84YRc1bPatKeM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fgermanshepherdsetc.com%252Fphylax-society%252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ZB0em8yYGYuulM%3A%2Co84YRc1bPatKeM%2C_&usg=__G-oXPXKS5xT_9YXLPHHD3QE5uX4%3D&biw=1920&bih=971&ved=0ahUKEwiN18vG2JjSAhXKFJQKHYUaBqwQyjcINA&ei=3L2nWI35Msqp0ASFtZjgCg#imgrc=ZB0em8yYGYuulM: Although Hector and his ilk certainly are conformationally on the same plane as a riding horse. The halter scene in the horse world has been busy making similar changes in alternate directions in the name of winning also, for example the american halter quarter horse, they lost their hocks https://equineink.com/2011/04/24/have-halter-horses-become-the-bodybuilders-of-the-equine-world/ This new breed of halter champion are on the main un rideable by 8 due to arthritis. The arabian pony below at 23, Ridden by their team Captain, was one of the team to enable New Zealand to win the first World Mounted Games held in the southern Hemisphere, at 32 she is still sound and arthritis free.

I was watching a class being judged last year and many of the dogs as they walked away from me couldn't even move without looking like they might fall their hinds, let alone those rubber joints were swaying from side to side so. the weakness was sickeningly apparent. gave crooked as a dogs hind leg a whole new meaning, from behind the bone from the hip to the stifle went in one direction , from stifle to hock another, and hock to foot another. From a side view, yes the bones angle, although as said here, they never did to the degree now strived for, but they sure are not supposed to to that degree from behind. the strain on the ligaments must be enormous I well remember the first hunching imports of the 'NEW" "IMPROVED" GSD's when they arrived and thought "have their breeders gone mad. sadly the lemmings flocked to the new track

you have good points, the problem is to race to eliminate puppy farms is what brought in that attempt to pass in victoria that laws which meant NO ONE could have more than 10 breeding dogs or cats, or I think? birds for that matter. that they would have to get an ABN and register as a business even if they had only ONE? even more upsetting to me anyway, it also had that a breeder had one of only two options for their retired dog. re home or euthanasia? THAT IS big brother gone mad. how dare they take away your right to keep your retired pets. AND just because you breed from your dog does not negate them from being your pets, ar are a pretty sick bunch

I was getting a puppy vaccinated and the subject came up with my vet. he suprised me very much and has had me really thining about the validity of what he said, hence my post above. He said "we need puppy farmers. I have nothing against puppy farms, as long as they are well looked after and socialised, no one will be able to find a pet if only registered few litters a year breeders are left. People need to get real there are over 24 million australians who need a pet . when will this madness stop and reality get a look in?"

probably wont earn me any brownie points, but I do not think a total ban is necessary, only for what is in actuality a very few days on the scale of the entire year the weather is nothing like that is no reason for a total ban year round. Although it seems we are now in the century of overkill gone over the top, the catch cry being just because it was done in the past is no reason to be allowed now. naysay to that and your left like those who were too scared to admit the emperor had no clothes The animal rights groups have spun the same tale and so many are too scared to speak up . for good reason . " about two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the Emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes, no one dares to say that they don't see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as "unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent". Finally, a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!" "

anyone seen the video? puppies, rabbits, guinea pigs, chooks and chickens panting in distress. My guess most of the rabbits would have died they really cope badly without frozen bottles to lie on or airconditioning. I lost two of my chooks this week and they had shade, cool water and breeze. those poor things might have shade but the water heats up just from the ambient temp and those tarps prevented the fans from reaching any but the pups http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/pets/13000-sign-petition-to-ban-parklea-markets-selling-pets-after-picture-of-heatdistressed-puppies-emerges/news-story/c0f87355a3a25dd6dd97f174c24c9e39

WOULDNT give up, I had a puppy stolen and incredibly 4 months later there she was on Trading post, her owner had apparently bought her at a market and was being transferred overseas. A friend had a puppy pinched over her fence, microchipped and council notified, 5 years down the track she has never been found to date, so obviously she has not been a stray yet or been to a vet who scanned her although I know my vet scanned a dog brought in for a fight injury and discovered he was listed as lost. phoned the registered owner to learn he had been stolen 2 years prior. she was over the moon to get him back so it can happen but you have to be patient and lucky or in my case persistant in checking for sale adds

The most famous case of video faking was the one that the Australian Government were so outraged over they shut down the live export market and cost graziers billions, many lost their properties and some their lives because of the stress. In that case too the outrage swept all before it and government acted without investigating its authenticity. It was many months before it was learned the workers in the video had been asked to perform for the video and none of the cattle in it were Australian and the ear tags displayed supposedly of the cattle slaughtered in the video had been taken from cattle already slaughtered legally in another facility,, weeks before the video was filmed. as far as I am aware those responsible have to date, not been charged or held accountable for the tremendous damage they caused?

Not sure if Brave is the right word, I said it without realising the roof would fall in on me. Wasn't trying to be brave just remind them, but it seemed to fall on plugged ears and didn't work. The word "ethical" seems to be some sort of ear plug to stop anything said that isn't in line with the "to be ethical you have to do or be xyz" ? weird It never ceases to amaze me how so many become registered breeders and how little they actually know not only about genetics but the reproduction of this species. one idiot and thats the only word to use, desexed her best (and only) bitch because the neighours foxi got in and mated her, the reason she gave me? She is now contaminated and every litter now can have foxi x in one or the whole litter. Dogs are NOT GUPPIES folks. but she would not listen, the bitch was desexed and end of generations of great dogs. doah? talk about old wives tales being alive and well even today

off topic or is it? humans dont seem to learn by their mistakes if this is anything to go by http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html

Yes , an impossible task, so many variables. my favorite working dog was my friend Les Ellery's kelpie. he had put an injured filly in a separate paddock so it would be easier to catch and clean her wounds twice a day.. each time he would send his kelpie to bring her into the yards. except day 3 she was in the far corner under the tree, other side of the fence was the main herd . she flatly refused to leave the herd. The kelpie looked to Les for orders. Les meanwhile was rolling with laughter at the dogs predicament. he said his dog gave him a totally disgusted look and it was as if he shurgged his shoulders, tossed Les's order to bring her in and instead jumped the fence and brought the entire mob up along the fenceline to the stockyards. meanwhile the filly now all alone, followed along the fence and also arrived at the stockyards. Dog leapt the fence, drove her the last feet through the open gate and sat in the gateway looking fiercely at Les. Les said his message unmistakable NOW! GET YOU SORRY ASS OVER HERE AND SHUT THE GATE! Wonder how the scientists would rate that, in Australia its called initiative and our working dogs have it in spades

When the code of ethics for Dogs NSW included this. " 8. A Member shall not breed a bitch that results in it whelping more than twice in eighteen months without the prior approval of the Board of Directors except under extenuating circumstances where application for registration of the litter may be considered by the Board of Directors. 9. A Member shall not breed a bitch that results in it whelping more than twice in two years without the prior written approval of a Veterinary Surgeon certifying her fitness to carry and whelp the third litter. 10. A Member shall not breed a bitch that results in it whelping more than six times without prior veterinary certification of fitness for further breeding and without prior approval of the Board of Directors except under extenuating circumstances where application for registration of the litter may be considered by the Board of Directors" My vets comment was they certainly did not bother to liase with any reproduction specalist vets. The species canine in his opinion should not be bred so infrequently. That a bitch is better off having her litters when she is young (the norm before was the majority of bitches had their litters before they turned 4 or 5 and were retired, either desexed and rehomed or retired and kept as pets) but the breeder should have the right to that decision as there really is never going to be a one size fits all where individuals are concerned) litter spacing decided by the breeder and their vet, if she had large litters some bitches need to be rested, those with small litters would be better off being bred on each to not only give the breeder greater choice to choose from, but reduce obesity in bitches which have small litters and therefore can have weight issues if left unbred too long between. It also flies in the face of the fact that older mothers, human included produce a higher percentage of chromosome abnormalities including mongolism, its now documented in dogs too I well remember when I asked why such a blanket ruling, I bred Chihuahua's at the time and one of my best bitches never had more than one pup per (cough) "litter" if anyone can call one pup a litter that is? her best pup was the result of her 7th litter. now of course banned and she had all 7 in a row bred every 6 months, now that stupid rule is in place she would only possibly have managed to produce 5 pups maximum in her lifetime. no Matter that the large breed bitches produce anything from 10 to 18 PER LITTER! YET I had to put up with them yelping that I should stop wingeing and be satisfied with what I got. I suggested then if this utterly stupid code come into force then no breeder be permitted more than 15 puppies per bitch and she be retired, regardless of breed since few toy breeders were ever going to be allowed even that number of puppies to choose their next generation from, if its forced on one percentage of the membership then the rest should cope with the same restrictions too. Surely fair, should be fair to all? The real problem was the code of ethics was not formulated to work with the best practice for either the health and well being of the bitches or the selection of the best puppies for the next generation. It was formulated to pander too and appease the animal libbers and the Politically correct in the frantic hope the KC's would be left off the persecution list. doesn't seem to have worked at all does it, if the latest attacks from Victoria in the form of that latest legislation that was so almost shoved through. 1 bitch and you had to become a registered business with an ABN? NO one allowed to have more than 10 fertile dogs. utter nonsense. look at the world famous breeders who created and maintained the breeds we know today, never happen again with the incredible genetic selection restrictions being called for and pushed for now No sign yet the libbers or Peta have put down the gun does it? pandering to them is not going to achieve anything, Their Brief is not the elimination of puppy farms, it is the elimination of the domestic dog. read their own websites. I should reword that, Pandering to them is going to achieve the elimination of the domestic dog by genetic bottlneck, too few being bred, too few to select from, mission will be accomplished. unless those of us who want to keep their dogs wake up before its too late. if it isnt too late already for many breeds, hopefully the blinkers will fall off before its too late for all

spot on. in the early 80's it became more and more people were being told " to be ethical" you must not breed to supply people with a puppy, "to be ethcal" you only breed a litter to continue your line. There were many who also came out with "to be ethical" you cant ask a price for your extra puppies you dont keep, to make a profit is to be a SHOCK, HORROR, PUPPY FARMERS. ONLY a puppy farmers breeds to make money. I have heard so much along these lines and as I was told each, asked, if only those who have sufficient money to breed and except a loss that leaves only the rich allowed to continue a breed? even then when the KC did a survey they discovered to their suprise 90 of members are only registered breeders for 6 years or less. of remaining 10% the membership that had been breeders 15 years or more and were the actually backbone the majority were pensioners and their pin money came from their puppy sales. I believed then and I am sure now, this crap that those so desperate to get on and stay on the so called "ethical" bandwaggon were being conned by the animal libbers spreading this junk

now that would be a really great initiative wouldn't it

Years ago my vet approached the AVA suggesting vets compile a list of breeders whose puppies were proving to be free of inherited or low incidence of problems, as well as a list of breeders with high incidence and from this information release a list of recommended breeders. This would have included ALL BREEDERS, of all puppies, be it ANKC, unregistered, x breeds and purebreds, As he said, vets are at the front line of seeing these things and in the best position to compile such records, to his disappointment there was little interest. Many he said feared they may be sued by breeders they didn't recommend. He still lives in hope some day it may get up off the ground. sounded a great initiate to me anyway. I know even really motivated breeders can still have a disaster, one bought a new potential stud puppy of the french bulldog breed and he developed problems during a heat wave and died before they could get him to the vet, he had not exhibited any of the problems prior to purchase so was a very devastating to happen. Having owned and bred Chihuahuas since 1978 I know of no health problems associated with either the blue, chocolate or lilac genetics save the 1 in 4 incidence of blue gene alopecia in some blues and lilacs. It has never contributed to any actual health issues in the dog though. what it does do in the one it does manifest in, is end the show career of the dog as if its a long coat it does tend to look pretty odd. I have seen it manifest as either short , very short hair on the ears. or along the top of the tail and hindquarters and back. the funniest I saw as a beautiful Lilac boy I bought as a puppy with stunning coat, but when his adult coat came in he had fine baby mist on his ears, top of his head and right along his topline to the tip of his tail. looked like a lawnmower had gone over him. the cutest manifestation I saw was a blue and white boy I bred, he had a white muzzle, big blaze, white collar, 4 white feet and half the tail was white. in his case he lost all his long blue coat and could have passed easily for a Mexican hairless, save for his flowing white face and blaze, massive white mane around his collar, wide legged pants around his legs and 3 inch long white flag on his tail. alopecia means hair loss, not mange of any kind and chocolates are not affected. In the case of the Mexican Hairless it is a different gene, the blue gene alopecic dog is not actually hairless the hair in the affected areas is soft and short. giving the visual impression compared to the normal length coat. so I do wonder why people are saying there are health issues with these colour genes? how many of you realise an entire breed is the result of all dilute coat colour, blue and chocolate hence their amazing colour, and that is the Weimariner? http://www.blueweimaraner.com/genetics.html so I do wonder why these colours are taboo in the frenchie?

True showdog, the really important thing if you choose a puppy, is you MUST remember to get him used to being groomed minimum a few minutes daily better many short grooms than try to keep one wigglie puppy still for half and hour, puppy needs to learn to lay on its side , either side and on its back while you fiddle with tummy, legs, throat and muzzle. ditto for laying on tum while you fiddle with top of muzzle, topknot neck, back and tail. just a short brush each time until you can see puppy is relaxing and enjoying and then gradually lengthen the time . if you do not do this grooming will not be fun or relaxing for either of you. or if you take puppy to a groomer if its not been trained it will be very unhappy and uncooperative for the groomer.

when I was your age I bought my first purebred dog, he was a toy poodle and I had no idea where to get him clipped, that was 1964 and no grooming shops in them olden days, except if you lived in sydney, his breeder recommended a book that showed you how to groom and clip your own dog, my initial attempts were interesting to say the least and on a bad day when he looked like a manic lawnmower had been at him he would hide under the furniture until a few days had passed and he didn't look so silly, it sure looked like he knew he was the one being laughed at and greatly resented it. but I learned with every attempt until I had mastered the lamb clip, the continental clip, looked horrible to me, and so many other variations. once I had it down pat, people began paying me to clip theirs. Check out the books available on learning to clip and pick the one with the most details and explanations. my book was great it even has line drawings to show which ways to brush the top knot then cut to get the best results, but cant remember its title at the moment. topknots are the real challenge to get right but once masters is VERY SATISFYING. once achieved. even gave friends hair cuts for themselves, I and many who asked me to clip theirs found my boy looked much nicer than the clips many busy salons whizzz over their clients dogs, unless its being done for a show. but if your time short then take him to them may be the easier option. It can take hours while you are experimenting trust me on that, an hour or four can disappear without you noticing while you are playing groomer and barber, my mum held the record, she bought a standard poodle and one day she was so blizzfully grooming and clipping and adjusting while Tilly snoozed on the grooming table she didn't notice 6 hours disappear. I kid you not. but Tilly was a lot of poodle she was bigger than most german shepherds

at the 46 second mark he can be clearly seen to pull the dog right out of the water and back up to him. then as the chap says the rest of the video was taken at a later time and spliced to make it apper he went into the water. watch the second counter and there it is, bit surprised they didn't cut it out? although its very short and visually looks like most of you missed anyway, it maybe they did too. and I'm referring not the the release date of the movie but the release date of the tape, they sat on it for a year before they did anything? why not name and shame at the time if they truely cared about the welfare of the dog and not when it might get the most bang for their buck exposure.

rewatch the video the dog never went in all the way, its hinds legs and its hips went in then the trainer pulls the dog up back to him its cut the second the trainer begins lifting the dog back up out of the water , YOU DO NOT SEE IT GOING INTO THE WATER. your mind is finishing what isn't there. so frankly I believe the chap below.. agree the trainer should have stopped immediately the dog said no. as said above so many have assumed what actually didn't happen too. as this http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/gavin-polone-a-dogs-purpose-outcry-what-happened-whos-blame-967160 link says, its cut at that point and the second half shows the dog in the second shoot when it had jumped in willingly from the other side AND as he so tellingly says, , it was cut at the point the dog when under, you don't get to see it resurface or its behavior when back out of the water yet all that was on video. Although now the shit has hit the fan I for one think all the footage should be released so people can see for themselves and make a decision as to how manipulated the editing was that was released by peta, if they don't then we only have his word for it there is full footage that peta deleted. AND the most telling they waited a year to release it?

This Ashton is the man who shot Ruth Downeys cattle and here killed another 76, when even their own employees resign rather than countenance the slaughter surely something HAS TO BE DONE to give owners an avenue of appeal against the sociopaths drawn to this job because they discover a job where they are unaccountable? https://video-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.1790-2/13121004_1595114640815674_1086994242_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=50fbbb0376e87c243d5279a651f0762a&oe=58862B1A

such good advice, yes turn things into a game , good psychology, animals aren't dumb as some people try to tell you, when someone would say that to me, I would be thinking, I'm looking at the dumb one, they have no idea now richly their animals can interact with them

PK's advice is spot on, I had and bred cavaliers for over 16 years and your puppy is not behaving like a normal cavalier, please take pk's advice.

a member of my family has bought a frenchie and to my amazement she told me its normal procedure for the breed to have him booked into the vets to have his nose and soft palette done! Even more interesting he is main registered as brindle? blind freddy can see that he is blue to me why buy, let alone breed an animal that can die without surgery? although I am a bit curious about the frenzy over colour, when I was a kid no border collie was considered purebred unless it was black or black and white, now there are Gold, cream, blue, chocolate and lilac? obviously the genes had been there all along except they are now recognised and not only registered but shown and win?