Cheating

[Darkrai]

I use a hair straightener on my whippets.

There ya go...the secret is out.

what do u straighten on a whippet??? hope you didn't straighten his short and curly!!!! :cool:

But these days artifically altering a dog is the normal...

That's pretty sad, really.

yep and its true, even dogs that aren't ment to be clipped, trimmed etc are and they are still accepted in the ring where the standard sez they are not allowed...

lve seeing a white dog sheen with blue hue?!?!

seen dogs with legs that go everywhere but forward and it was a Gr Ch?!?!

really there isno point complainig it happens and will keep hapen the only thing you can do is just keep going and do your own thing

[Dogsfevr]

JSK

It seems as though you are bordering on attacking Miss B for asking a question.

Nope not all.

I answered as did everyone else.

Her topic is about cheating & what to do & it was answered plain & simple .

I have shown for too many years & heard way to many accusations.

As it turns out her question is simply about nail colour & can it change so why not have simply asked "can nail colour change" instead its titled "cheating"

What would you do if you suspected a fellow exhibitor within your breed was cheating, by modifying their dogs appearance (dying the coat, colouring the nails or paw pads, etc). What would be the most appropriate way of dealing with the situation?

I have had many dogs whose nails have darkened up to 6/8 months & not the same breed.

If they truly want to now then ask the person who owns the dog

Sorry for missing some tags JSK i will remove it

Edited June 25, 2010 by showdog

[dog enthusiest]

always interesting to know what lengths people can goto.

but i'm sure any smart judge could tell.

[Miss B]

I have had many dogs whose nails have darkened up to 6/8 months & not the same breed.

So in your opinion it would be possible for the nails to go from completely white at 10 weeks of age, to completely black at 12 weeks?

I have honestly never heard of that happening, that's all.

[Jsk]

What Showdog quoted was EXACTLY what you posted JSK, are you delusional? It's in black text right here on the screen in the thread.

I stand by what I said, people can think that another is cheating in whatever form but unless they can PROVE it there is nothing they can do about it so at the end of the day they can either beat them with a better specimen, accept that they have no proof and compete regardless OR stop showing.

Sorry its not me that delusional! Maybe YOU should go back and read thread properly!

This is what I posted:

Suspected is a long way from knowing so I would put up or shut up.

I think this sentiment could have been put a lot nicer, dont you?

What Showdog had me quoted as saying is in fact what YOU said.

Now who is delusional???

[Darkrai]

breathe people....

As much as one can throw in a the accusation, one needs proof before pointing the finger and saying cheat...

For us Afghan people we are told in our bree standardthat the coat should develop naturally, this article explains naturally with a bit of tounge and cheek lol

The most delusional thing is that ths practice of artifically altering our dogs will stop, onc a person gets away with it they wont stop and soon follows take on the practice as well, casue.... well... everyone is doing it... :cool:

[Dogsfevr]

I have had many dogs whose nails have darkened up to 6/8 months & not the same breed.

So in your opinion it would be possible for the nails to go from completely white at 10 weeks of age, to completely black at 12 weeks?

I have honestly never heard of that happening, that's all.

My opinion doesnt matter & if i was that curious i would have asked the person plain & simple.

[oakway]

Did any body ever stop to think that if the dog is white that spray on pressure pak chalk may have been used to cover any staining of the feet, and I assure you if you are to liberal you will send the nails white from the chalk.

Next time you use it, you are far more careful.

[Shaar]

There are varying degrees of cheating... surgery is on the top end of the scale... painting nails or using copious amounts of hairspray are at the bottom end.

For me doping is pretty close to surgery in the heinous stakes because temperament is a serious issue for the future of any breed. It's mostly doping them to adjust for excessive shyness or aggression I have concerns with. Giving them some caffeine for extra show ring zip and sparkle isn't something I'd do but it's not as disturbing.

Wow, this thread certainly took a turn for the worst over the past day.

I completely agree with you Magpie. While some people may just dope their dog up for shows and have no intention of breeding it (still wrong though IMO), there are an alarming number of people who do breed from known timid/aggressive dogs.

They do it because they think it's not that bad because the drugs will 'manage' it. A few generations of 'managing' it and it will spiral out of control until you have a litter of drug resistant fear biters who need to be PTS.

A bit of extra 'zip' is ok, that has nothing to do with their temperament, but drugging them to take away an actual fault is not good.

[t-time]

Miss B - it's probably really annoying for you if you have to compete against this pup but ultimately, you suspect the toenail pigment is incorrect and that is important for you - it might not be *as* important for the other exhibitor.

Perhaps the breeder of the pup thinks it's the very best she's ever bred - BUT BUGGER THOSE TOENAILS!!!?? (No dog is perfect but maybe that pups ONLY fault is the nails!!)

Apart from making an official complaint which will really paint you in a bad light within the breed, no, there's nothing you can do about it except hope for a judge who can recognise nail polish!

and I *do* know the breed -

Edited June 25, 2010 by t-time

[Kirislin]

There's a whippet exhibitor who had a dog with an undescended testicle so he had an artificial one put in. He was found out when the judge had a feel of the dog and it had 3!!!! He was asked to leave the ring on that occasion but he still shows to this day.

Ummmmmm are you sure this story is actually true? I have shown for more years than I care to remember and have heard this very story (breed changes each time) for many years.

Yes it's true, I know who the breeders are, they are Victorian and quite well known, have been showing for at least 20 years, but I am not going to name them.

[whippets]

Didn't know they had prosthetic balls for dogs.......

I still find some of these claims far fetched. The human mind can be quite fanciful.

[whippets]

ah. Apparently you can get them.

It looks like a cross between a peanut and a lychee hehe

[redangel]

I know of these prosthetic testicles too...one practioner in Melb..... it is not an urban myth whippets. As Ive only owned girlies, I think they would be a noticable addition so I havent tried LOL. Seriously though it is sad for the breed when breeders go to such lengths, dishonest and a misrepresentation.

[jr_inoz]

There's a whippet exhibitor who had a dog with an undescended testicle so he had an artificial one put in. He was found out when the judge had a feel of the dog and it had 3!!!! He was asked to leave the ring on that occasion but he still shows to this day.

Ummmmmm are you sure this story is actually true? I have shown for more years than I care to remember and have heard this very story (breed changes each time) for many years.

ummmm - I've had a judge actually tell me that story as it was this judge that refused the dog. the judge was told in the ring - but this dog is only 6 points from its title, and the judge replied - well he's not going to get them under me!

[nabs]

Didn't know they had prosthetic balls for dogs.......

I still find some of these claims far fetched. The human mind can be quite fanciful.

Ask a repo specialist. Near impossible for a dogs testicle to come down many months / years later. There is a certain time frame while the dog is growing that the testicle can be brought down. The tube that holds it is so thin. Sorry but it basically would be like sh!ting a watermelon. Also there would not be room with the prosthetic in to come down!

You would think while the so called vet is putting the prosthetic in he would check to see the state of the retained testicle.!!!! I don't buy the story. Any vet worth his salt would not leave a retained testicle inside a dog as it leads to cancer.

[nabs]

triple post hiccup!

Edited June 26, 2010 by *Shelties N Danes*

[nabs]

DOL spac attack! LOL Triple post!

Edited June 26, 2010 by *Shelties N Danes*

[Jsk]

Didn't know they had prosthetic balls for dogs.......

I still find some of these claims far fetched. The human mind can be quite fanciful.

Ask a repo specialist. Near impossible for a dogs testicle to come down many months / years later. There is a certain time frame while the dog is growing that the testicle can be brought down. The tube that holds it is so thin. Sorry but it basically would be like sh!ting a watermelon. Also there would not be room with the prosthetic in to come down!

You would think while the so called vet is putting the prosthetic in he would check to see the state of the retained testicle.!!!! I don't buy the story. Any vet worth his salt would not leave a retained testicle inside a dog as it leads to cancer.

Have seen it happen with a sheltie, he had a retained teste and at 16 months he got bitten by a snake, thankfully the dog was saved but then the teste was down within a week of it happening. I dont know how but I know it happened.

[nabs]

Didn't know they had prosthetic balls for dogs.......

I still find some of these claims far fetched. The human mind can be quite fanciful.

Ask a repo specialist. Near impossible for a dogs testicle to come down many months / years later. There is a certain time frame while the dog is growing that the testicle can be brought down. The tube that holds it is so thin. Sorry but it basically would be like sh!ting a watermelon. Also there would not be room with the prosthetic in to come down!

You would think while the so called vet is putting the prosthetic in he would check to see the state of the retained testicle.!!!! I don't buy the story. Any vet worth his salt would not leave a retained testicle inside a dog as it leads to cancer.

Have seen it happen with a sheltie, he had a retained teste and at 16 months he got bitten by a snake, thankfully the dog was saved but then the teste was down within a week of it happening. I dont know how but I know it happened.

The dog should have been desexed as any dog retaining a teste is at a high risk of cancer. It is all to do with the size and length of the cord. It would be extremely rare for a dogs teste to come down after 6 months of age and almost impossible if it had an implant blocking the way!

On the subject of cheating there are many in our breed who do dye their dogs masks black. Two years ago bitch shown at specialty with very grey face. Few weeks later she arrives with a fully sprayed on black face. Same exhibitor showed a dog that was put to the end of the line at a previous specialty because of his artificial face. Good friend of mine bred the dog and was also horrified the person left a hand print on the side of the dogs face! To this day exhibitor is showing a dog with varying shades of black on his muzzle. Just depends if she remembers to do the face or not I guess

In NSW several dogs with identical blue black muzzles that abruptly stop above the eye are fashionable. :D Yep it goes on.

How ya been JSK not seen you around shows for a while

Edited June 26, 2010 by *Shelties N Danes*