RuralPug Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Separated the puppies for time outs. Roo has been picking on Bunny and she has been trying to get away from him. I am seriously considering that I won't be able to leave them out together when I go back to work. Knowing the breeds, I think it probably safest if they are separated when unsupervised. You can discuss this further with their respective breeders, they may have some pertinent advice. Meanwhile, I feel the need to take you to task (again): WHERE ARE THE PICS??? Photos of gorgeous puppies are mandatory!!!! WE understand how exhausting rearing two puppies together is, but get your priorities right and snaqp some pics!!!! Pretty pretty pretty please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boronia Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 How is the wee-ing outside training going S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not fabulously, Boronia. Yesterday was good. Only two inside wees! Today, not so good. Even Bunny did one inside and she's normally really good. Trouble is, Roo has no signal. He doesn't sniff, he doesn't wander around, he just goes. If I get him outside he nearly goes on command. The trouble is getting him outside. If I take my eye off him, he'll go without warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Not fabulously, Boronia. Yesterday was good. Only two inside wees! Today, not so good. Even Bunny did one inside and she's normally really good. Trouble is, Roo has no signal. He doesn't sniff, he doesn't wander around, he just goes. If I get him outside he nearly goes on command. The trouble is getting him outside. If I take my eye off him, he'll go without warning. Sheridan what's your set up? I have my own youngster plus her brother who hasn't quite found his new home yet and my lot do not have run of the living room unless I CAN watch them 100% and only ever one at a time. I have 2 pens as their "control" areas which they are in to sleep. A secure outside area where they can play (sometimes separately other times together but made secure with compost panels), another area that is puppy proof but not yet Ginny proof so requires supervision plus their day is interrupted with 3 training and/or socialisation sessions at a minimum. Whatever I do with them incorporates some sort of training. I'm also juggling 2 adult dogs and up until today another pup so tonight feels like a breeze :laugh: Edited July 1, 2015 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) They have separate crates in my bedroom where they sleep at night. I have a single playpen in the lounge room, which as of today I took down as I now have two crates in the lounge for them. I am training them to use these but only started today. I'm not made of money and can't afford to keep buying pens and crates and compost panels and dog runs which everyone seems to think are essential to having dogs these days. They have the run of the back yard currently. ETA: they do not sleep in the lounge because the bedroom is at the other end of the house and I can't hear them if in separate rooms. They actually quite good at night and have slept through several times. They also scream blue bloody murder if separated where they can still see each other and my lounge is not big enough to have separate spaces where they can't see each other. Edited July 1, 2015 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 If they scream, I would cover their crate. Quiet and it comes off. Still quiet and you get a treat. I picked up a heap of stuff second hand and borrowed a few things too as I'm not exactly made of money either. That said I'm forever adjusting my set up as the pups grow (including dragging big crates in and out of the car) and I'm pretty exhausted really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Over 7 years of fostering puppies, I found that the boys were faster to learn to not to eliminate in their crates, but took longer to house train... and the girls were the opposite... go figure? Hang in there Sheridan, one day it will just click for both of them, and you'll look back on this thread and wonder what all the fuss was about. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) The crates are not the problem. Last night they went from 10 pm to 6 am without a peep. It's everywhere else. I can't just keep them crated all the time either. No one I know sets their place up with pens and crates and dog runs etc so I'd say you're far better off than I am being able to borrow things, TSD. I am very frustrated by suggestions that crating fixes everything because my problem is not crating but when they're out of it. My experience with the pen is that he will go in there if left and suggestions to look for a signal when he will just stand up and go. Edited July 1, 2015 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) My Dally was much the same and still just wears a sad face when he needs to pee. I just took him out every 60 min at the very least, used a command when he toileted and gave him a handful of his food for peeing in the right place. No crates back then. Crating is not the cure all BUT if they are sleeping it's much easier to get stuff done without watching them and for them to tell you they are awake. I borrowed a whelping box so, yes, I was lucky to only have to do a 5 hour round trip to pick that up but the rest of the fencing I have picked up second hand. I still need to Ginny proof one yard... Edited July 1, 2015 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) As of last night I started feeding Roo outside. It makes taking him to do a wee a shorter distance. I'm cooking breakfast so they're in their lounge crates. Bunny sitting quietly staring at Roo's covered crate where he is apparently being murdered the shrieks are so loud. 'The sky's awake so I'm awake so I have to play,' is his motto. ETA: he's been howling for half an hour now. Bunny sitting outside her crate playing with a toy. She's just more mature and biddable. ETA ETA: and then there was silence. Edited July 1, 2015 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stressmagnet Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Gosh Sheridan. Raising two pups at once really doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Re-reading this thread, it really does sound like its nothing but hard work and no joy. You've definitely cured me of ever doing the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Yes, Mr TSD really connected with one of the boys in my litter…I said I'd only consider keeping him if he put as much work into training him as I am into Ginny. I simply can't do two pups justice - life is just too hectic as it is. He didn't mention it again funnily enough :laugh: Edited July 1, 2015 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Sheridan, I feel your pain and frustration. Have you thought of treating them as individual babies, ie just have them out and with you one at a time while the other is playing outside? That way you would be able to interact and bond with the one with you and give him/her your whole attention. They would also have to look to you rather than look for their playmate for attention. Yes, the one outside might shout a bit but would get used to being on his/her own which would also be a good thing. Then they would look forward to playtime when you could let them both out together for a play outside where it does not matter if they pee or poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pjrt Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Sheridan I had a thought .....if it's your boy that isn't clicking with free house time and toileting, I would probably employ a belly band. It will be a bit of a trick with a youngster not to think it's a toy or an annoyance to be ripped off, and your girl might want to try to get it off him....... But I reckon it would stand a very good chance of helping you complete his toilet training. Once he is out of his crate or pen, some outside time, and even if he pees outside before you bring him in, put the belly band on for all free running indoor time. If he pees it will just get soaked into the pad in the belly band and you won't have to clean up, and a lot of boys just click once they have the band, as trying to pee with it on just isn't as much fun! Even in the small possibility that he takes a long time to get inside toilet training, at least you won't have ongoing mess. For some boys the belly bands just seem to work like magic. They can be ordered from some doggy pet places but I can't add a link from this device. can someone else do that for us?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Another thought .. low cost or nil cost if you have a longish lead or something that will serve as one. My BC girl was an escaper as a pup, and took a while to house train. She did have a crate/pen set up for indoors when I was out (couldn't stay outside as stock fences were no challenge.) But around the house, I used a longish lead (tracking lead) tied round my waist, as an umbilical cord .. where I went, she went, and apart from taking her out regularly, if I missed the start of a pee, I could scoop her up cos she was close to me and rush her outside. The scooping up usually stops the flow. (Oh, and I did have another puppy (7 weeks older) at the time and a senior bitch.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) how did you manage the other puppy with one on lead? Edited July 2, 2015 by Sheridan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 Sheridan I had a thought .....if it's your boy that isn't clicking with free house time and toileting, I would probably employ a belly band. It will be a bit of a trick with a youngster not to think it's a toy or an annoyance to be ripped off, and your girl might want to try to get it off him....... But I reckon it would stand a very good chance of helping you complete his toilet training. Once he is out of his crate or pen, some outside time, and even if he pees outside before you bring him in, put the belly band on for all free running indoor time. If he pees it will just get soaked into the pad in the belly band and you won't have to clean up, and a lot of boys just click once they have the band, as trying to pee with it on just isn't as much fun! Even in the small possibility that he takes a long time to get inside toilet training, at least you won't have ongoing mess. For some boys the belly bands just seem to work like magic. They can be ordered from some doggy pet places but I can't add a link from this device. can someone else do that for us?? Belly bands seem quite hard to come by. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 Gosh Sheridan. Raising two pups at once really doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Re-reading this thread, it really does sound like its nothing but hard work and no joy. You've definitely cured me of ever doing the same thing. It's great when they're playing together and lying down together. The state of my wee ridden floor is what's doing my head in. Plus the lack of anyone to help do some stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph M Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Sheridan I had a thought .....if it's your boy that isn't clicking with free house time and toileting, I would probably employ a belly band. It will be a bit of a trick with a youngster not to think it's a toy or an annoyance to be ripped off, and your girl might want to try to get it off him....... But I reckon it would stand a very good chance of helping you complete his toilet training. Once he is out of his crate or pen, some outside time, and even if he pees outside before you bring him in, put the belly band on for all free running indoor time. If he pees it will just get soaked into the pad in the belly band and you won't have to clean up, and a lot of boys just click once they have the band, as trying to pee with it on just isn't as much fun! Even in the small possibility that he takes a long time to get inside toilet training, at least you won't have ongoing mess. For some boys the belly bands just seem to work like magic. They can be ordered from some doggy pet places but I can't add a link from this device. can someone else do that for us?? Belly bands seem quite hard to come by. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place. We just made one for Mum's jerk maltese, some fabric, a maxi pad and some velcro. Might be the cheap way to do it if he's still growing and hopefully won't be an issue for long. :) http://janiceserilla.com/2012/04/17/free-sewing-pattern/ Does this help at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 It would if I could sew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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