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"Normal" rescue depends on the definition. If you are of the mindset that No Kill means anything is better than being dead, then a dog stored indefinitely is a normal fact of life. And if a rescue were to put down this dog the hail of bullets from the sidelines would shock you! Edited because I'm repeating myself! Post #10

Hetty it's not safe for a 4 month old at an off leash. Especially the Canal Rd at Leichhardt and Sydney Park. I'm assuming you're in the area? If you really need to do a bit of training on your own outside you might be able to get some quiet time at the part time off-leash (fully fenced) park behind Edgeware Rd Tafe. You can also get a quiet bench under the trees and sit him on your lap to watch the others do dog stuff.

A vet explained to me ages ago after an osteo surgery that limping can sometimes become a habit after the actual pain is gone. That's not a lot of help to you and I can't give you proof but apparently it can be more in their mind than physical. A result of looking after that limb while it heals.

FYI New membership conditions. For anyone who got the e-news today about the changes to your membership and might have forgotten what you agreed to at the start. I have a copy of the old one saved from ages ago (below). Pointing out a significant change Not that anything was ever followed up anyway. I hear whispers of a new system coming soon. ;) More info as it comes to hand. FYI old membership conditions

Wow! I have always heard never to touch marrow bones! Interesting... Yeh I can't use and bones with the fatty marrow. It's tempting pancreatitis and makes a lot of my guys vomit. I can only use meaty bones, trimmed of fat either with no access to marrow or with that red honeycomb marrow.

Now you're just getting condescending. I suggest as someone who has other things to do that don't involve rescuing, your time would be better spent elsewhere than perpetually going around in circles. I didn't mean to be condescending please accept my apologies if that's how I sounded and thank you for your rather rude advice but for your information much of what we do does involve rescue and it certainly does involve understanding current issues which affect our rescue and foster carer members. For the record On a daily basis part of what I do involves rescue including looking after the rescue dogs I have here and speaking to and meeting with hundreds of people involved in rescue and foster care each year. I am fully aware of what you do.

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Now you're just getting condescending. I suggest as someone who has other things to do that don't involve rescuing, your time would be better spent elsewhere than perpetually going around in circles.

Thank you Malti. Apparently I'm one of the last rescuers to bother posting on Dol regularly anymore so it sounds like I'm alone in this but offline .... not so much.

It's called sarcasm. And see how absurd it is to say $10 when PR are asking for $500 to make a Tinder app and $1000 to to run a Matchmaker's Project and nobody raises an eyebrow? We're not supposed to say anything because we get it for free. Free free free. We are doing them a favour and I've no idea why nobody can see that. Where would Pet Rescue be without the groups who do the work? We have value despite the majority of groups not being able to 'remunerate' ourselves does that make us worthless and without right to question an organisation that represents us? You aren't liquid right now. Tell me how much closer to your goal you would get if Team Dog was stuck working under PR as it's being run now. And the Safe n Sound Pounds program was a $60,000 publicly funded project that has been taken up by 8 pounds at last count. & More pounds use facebook to list their dogs than their PR accounts. As above from the horse's mouth. Profit needs to be sourced elsewhere.

Most people don't see it as sourcing income off the backs of rescue. They provide a legitimate service for rescue groups giving them access to free advertising, resources, putting a higher focus on rescue generally and they provide a good resource for people who want to find a rescue dog. They don't charge for rescue to use their website ,their forms or other resources etc but do ask for donations from those who think the service they provide is worthy of receiving a donation to help pay for running costs required for being able to produce the service as well as and as effectively as they have. They could do just as well by working less outside of the website provision as that is where most of the income is coming from and they could easily have set up as a private business and simply taken all of the profits for themselves. The money they put back into projects and promotion of rescue etc is voluntary and a massive amount of full time and part time work and its the rescue world which have 100% been the beneficiaries of that. The only difference is that donations over $2 would not be tax deductible. Most websites actually provide a free advertising service for a short time until they build their presence and website profile and then charge those who want to continue using their services.These guys haven't done that . Foster Carers They provide lots of articles in their library for anyone considering foster caring and any search for foster carer takes you to their website. For a lot of people thinking about having a go its the first port of call. From their website. How do I get started? Go to PetRescue.com.au, select Dog, Cat or Other Pets, select size and state, then click 'Show advanced search' and select 'Pets looking for foster care'. If you find a pet you'd like to enquire about and offer your services as a foster carer, click the 'Enquire about this pet' button at the top of the pet's profile, or scroll to the bottom of the profile page to find the contact details of the rescue group caring for the pet. Alternatively, contact [email protected] and we'll help connect you with a rescue group in your area. We've also launched our Workplace Foster Care Program, to encourage Australian businesses to unleash the life-saving power of the workplace. For all the info you need to convince your staff or boss that this is a pawsitively brilliant idea for your business, download the FREE guide to our Workplace Foster Care Program here. Except we are getting charged. And your 'most people' are exactly the ones who believe that by giving to them, it goes to a rescue. In every donation they ask for, they are making money from us. We do the hard work and with our work we drive traffic to their site. They use those stats - membership - carers - adoptions to either a) boost rescue in the eyes of the public and provide much needed services or b) grow into what could potentially be the single biggest drain on already shoestring rescues. PR doesn't pay our bills. They help me advertise a dog for $450 that cost us $5000. And believe me, now that there's more rescues there is a lot less to go around. Using the exact points you make; we could be charged. They do pro-active stuff etc which isn't in question (but only some members can benefit from things like workplace foster care and adoption days.); I just don't believe they need to be using methods that are a constant drain on the finite donations available by asking for more and more and more. How about we get paid $10 a listing when we are the ones bringing in their donations? They have at their disposal, the profile and known brand to hit up others for funds like corporations and grants. If they have no grants income then why?? It's easier to use the generous and trusting audience they already have. Take a look at their facebook page to see the confusion. Or ask rescuers what this is doing to us as the brand grows. Do you work for Pet Rescue? - No Are you Pet Rescue volunteers? - No Did Pet Rescue give you the dog to sell? - No Are you paid by Pet Rescue? - No What group? I adopted my dog from Pet Rescue. - No Why haven't you replied to me? - Because you must have contacted someone else. It's constant and not the fault of the public because the public see a message that could be taken in more that one way when they don't process the existing arrangement. People believe Pet Rescue are the rescue. I feel SSR is pretty well branded when it comes to pointing out an independent rescue. People do have to come from PR to our site to see the full profiles and click through to apply but we've had so many applications giving a list of names (of dogs) that aren't ours, we've been forced to amend the form into check-boxes with only OUR dogs listed. Of course, it's all nicely worded on their site that they only help. Then have their hand out for money to help, which you can see by their financials is above and beyond what they need to provide the services rescues receive and not ploughed back in. I will be able to point this out clearly when the 2016 - 2017 financials are in. I see where you're coming from but it's frustrating to know that this was coming and I'm trying to get through to people the fact that the press doesn't match what is happening on the ground.

Holy hell. I don't know what the answer is I'm just so so sorry. Maddy has given some great advice and I would go with her advice as a rescue who has rehomed large breeds (Greyhounds) with a prey drive that needs proper assessment and management as well as having muzzling laws on top of that. There is a lot of No Kill stuff around that is misinterpreted as; anything is better than dying in the pound. Cold hard truth is that not all dogs should be adopted out. Next time I would go local or as close as practical to go and meet, play with, walk the dog and keep in close contact with the carer. Find a carer (like ours LOL) who can't shut up about their dogs and will tell you the good, bad and norty. I'd also make sure there has been a settling period in care of at least a month because dogs can take a while to show their nature.

Interesting. So why can't they try harder to source income from anywhere other than off the backs of our rescues? No idea how they claim Foster Carer Signups in their stats they have literally nothing to do with carers signing up (unless someone can correct me) except for just being there as the brand.

I find dog socks are pretty good, just put two on and vet-wrap if they aren't staying. For dogs where you can't risk a slide I used to have an instruction thing but basically two long socks (or sew one sock into two lengths) put them on like tights, they will reach up the legs and with a trim and adjustment you tie them behind the shoulder blades. You could put an extra sock for the dragging foot. (sorry if that makes no sense, I can't find a photo but they are pretty fast to make)

Sorry in advance, this isn't an interrogation. Are you resting him or is he still working? Are you rugging him in the cold? Is he desexed? How old is he? What are you feeding already? What is his coat and skin like? eg dry, flaky, dull, scabby, itchy, thin, moth-eaten, brittle ... (This could also be a good thread for Perse to see?)

T, as you probably know I've had the most f'd up month and shouldn't really be letting this get to me but when I think of the effort and heartbreak we go through and see it used as a tool to boost a brand name's income it it is too much.

Exactly! Somehow I missed the explanation Self explanatory I guess and probably the only thing they could really justify. A service which was always done by PR volunteers anyway. Perth. Yay for the rest of Aus. Bargain Something done by rescues ... and I'll be pissed off when my advice about a pet I rescued, rehabilitated, treated by my vets and lived in my home; is ignored in favour of a generic handbook. Busting myths? Do people need to read the handbook before they apply or after? And generate more income from us and our pets. The site rebuild has been a roaring success. This makes no sense. They did or are ? setting up a way to pay adoption fees online. What else?

As previously stated; WTF http://us1.campaign-...d=274bce6cea&e= So who exactly are they raising money for?? Pet Rescue. $10 - gives the impression they are shouting us a listing with support services whatever that is. Support services provided by volunteers? Free air-transport provided by jetpets? Free food donated by pet food companies? $30 - no idea. Photos? Better description? Provided by unpaid volunteers? $100 - they will share our pets to their own free social media accounts? Not bad $ for a few clicks. Especially considering a volunteer does it already if you ask. $250 - eh? No idea. Once a free care guide is created it costs nothing. Are sponsors going to be expected to keep giving? Will the $250 provide useful information? $500 - again; what? Don't they get enough corporate sponsorship or have thousands left over from their last $60,000 project? $1000 - Free money. Because PR users interested in matchmaking do it already and those who are uninterested won't do it anyway.

2 or 120. Those conditions aren't good enough. I'm constantly mystified at the actions of RSPCA and councils. A showie lady with some debarked dogs gets crucified and meanwhile nothing is done about these dogs for years because they have food, shelter and water.

No I wasn't meaning you in particular but accusations of false advertising and taking donations by deception do have the agencies that deal with these things. ASIC and the ACCC would be a good start. Anyway - not my business and this sort of thing usually works for the business rather than against them. They will probably gain more supporters due to this than they will loose. Cool, thanks Steve. I'm trying to stay on topic which for me, isn't about staff getting paid and suchlike. You can't run a large org on fresh air and sunshine but I wholeheartedly object to the unnecessary skimming of the finite income available to their valuable rescue members. We have our own worth and value as a key resource to them. Giving us free food they were donated and setting up low cost things like yellow pages and adoption days (only useful to certain groups), using the press as advertising for themselves; and then pretty much charging us for the privilege by using our membership rubs me up the wrong way when they can source funds elsewhere. Stats for direct donations to them leapt with the website rebuild which would be a direct result of hitting up new subscribers via their sign-up emails as pointed out by Shel.

No Kirsilin that's Shel ex-Pet Rescue. I would never put myself in a video LOL

ASIC If you're meaning me? I don't think you've understood a thing I'm saying. Or listened to the video IN FULL compared to Shel's previous post which I've used as an example of whatever is going on with the brand a nation of rescues are associated with. Nothing to do with ASIC. Same as listing a bunch of pound dogs on FB and asking for money to save them. But not physically touching them or rescuing them with said money. All above board, accounted for, just a bit blurry because people don't read the fine print. But the dogs get exposure and adoption and rescue eventually so it's all ok. 2 Examples of PR being as clear as mud in the eyes of the public. My link My link video reference 4.20

Maritime Pine Bark Extract. You may be able to source it at a local naturopath/herbalist business. I find McDowell's a little dear for the amount you get. It's not one of their combination mixtures, it's a single ingredient with a long history and I've always got some in the cupboard, even for something as small as Kennel Cough. I'm so sorry about your girl.

No we don't have access to the same if you've gone through the grants system and corporate sponsorship availability we aren't eligible for a huge slice. You are very welcome to prove me wrong by applying for a few and see how far you get. Actually, anyone who can wade through the paperwork and successfully compete in a very competitive field then bravo. But don't think that if you just put all your effort in, that something will come of it. Irrelevant. And not ridiculous. Our animals drive traffic to the site. Our input is valuable and is not treated as such. Unless you are suggesting that by staying small, we have less rights to question because it's our own fault? BTW when you sign up as a member you agree that if you are not already an entity or some variety of non-profit, or you are working towards it. Eh? Odd comments but Gumtree is free too. But they make money from ad-space and selling stats. They also promote themselves via advertising and would be up there with largest free online classifieds. But they don't take a cut and they encourage users to advertise on their site because listings drive traffic to the site. If they choose to go into philanthropy they still won't be charging a fee to advertise. Really? So you're fine with a commercial business (call it a charity) who has the ability to raise their revenue elsewhere skimming extra off the top just because we use their service for free? People think they are donating to RESCUE. It's in the name. And now they are doing their own rescue too which not long ago they were asking for donations for. Tell me that isn't confusing. And our pets are the face of each donation button. It appeared out of the blue on the site rebuild. You tell us to try harder for donations for funding. Why don't PR try harder? Then they won't need to piss off their support base; which is rescue by the way. Seeing as how at last count there 10,710 pets from 974 rescue groups. Again, it's a 'Suck it up Princess'. We use the site for free and it's our own fault for pointing out that every dollar they take is one more dollar we have to make up elsewhere. We began linking to our donation page to each pet the moment the PR donation button popped up. Anyone here complaining about their programs? I've not seen one. And of course Shel was involved that's half the point of post 1. Additionally, no pro bono service or legal funds were available to me when myself and my org were getting dragged through the shit. We're small. As above, we don't have access to the same things because of my 'ridiculous' decision to stay manageable within our goals. Dogzonline make income not from the forum or the breeder listings. Forum posts, shows, results, breeders and a whole lot of factors; all drive traffic here. Making the business viable. Just because it's not a charity or touchy feely rescue stuff would you be ok throwing a few bucks in the kitty or pay for forum use when Dogz needs to make legal moves or would you say; your business, your responsibility. Just earn yourself more money or let it go. That remains to be seen. Like DOL, there's been attempts to set up an alternative and none have really flown.

Yes! :) All of these. Except for the pushups. I love the sound of that, please tell me more.