Ruin Maniac Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 So this morning I was being a homebody on the couch, when I suddenly heard screaming, barking and cries for help. I ran outside and found a woman with two small black poodle-like dogs being attacked by a large bull breed (I can't confirm exactly what it was) wearing a dangerous dog collar. Yeah, a prescribed dangerous dog collar, off-lead and ripping into these tiny little dogs while their terrified owner tried to get it away from her. I tried to shove the dog off with my foot, but it didn't even flinch. I managed to get a hand around its neck without coming into contact with its teeth and grab its collar. I dragged it away and tried to prevent it making eye contact with the other dogs after which it calmed down and became almost placid, which seemed kinda strange. It was very people friendly, but dog aggressive to the extreme. It just sat there trying to lick me After the fact, two men who had previously driven right by in their cars turned around to investigate (thanks, boys). I think they thought the owner of the fluffies and I were having some kind of scuffle or something, but I am glad they came back so they could hold the vicious dog while I called the council. While I did so, they contacted the owner of the dog who arrived almost immediately (so they live very close by, apparently). He spoke to the victim and explained that they are building a new back fence and it slipped out the back door? I thought dangerous dogs were meant to have strict requirements with yards, etc? Unless this was during the time period where they were meant to be having it set up? The woman was so shaken up she didn't know what to do, and the owner of the vicious dogs kept trying to explain that it wasn't meant to get out, I think she may have been swindled out of calling the authorities. Granted, he did seem very upset too, and to my knowledge a dangerous dog can be destroyed instantly if found wandering or attacking anyone, and he did also appear to be concerned for her little ones. But I did tell them to exchange details (which they did), gave the victim the council's number and mine just in case and recommended she see her vet immediately and if she could let me know how they are. That was the first full-on attack I've ever been actively involved in, and I think I broke all the rules of intervening. But I'm so frustrated by the fact that a known dangerous dog could just slip out the back door. I'm expecting a puppy early next year and I am not comfortable with a dog like that being just down the street. The victim was so shaken, and the owner of the vicious dog was apologising profusely and pleading with her, which I understand... but I really don't want that to happen again. While I hate to think that the same dog who was so aggressive was also the dog that was so lovely once it had been separated from the fluffies, and I'd hate for that dog to be destroyed, I can't stand the thought of that happening to someone here again. Small children walk tiny dogs down the streets here, as do frail, elderly people. :/ Is there anything more I can do other than wait for the victim to contact me if she chooses to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I would be making a complaint and not waiting for the lady to take that step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Maniac Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) I've been thinking about doing that. I am assuming, because the dog must be known to the council to be wearing that collar, that with an accurate description of dog and owner they might be able to determine which house they came from? Since only the victim has those details. Part of me is also concerned that with all of Victoria's stupid laws, a case like this could be used to show bull breeds in a bad light. I can't count with all my digits the number of good experiences I've had with bull breeds, but I can count the bad experiences on one hand. Urgh. I just hate owners who can't socialise or contain their dogs properly. Edited November 15, 2012 by Ruin Maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Good on you for helping! How horrid! I guess it's possible they were building the containment but that's still no excuse for the dog to be out. Did you see if her little ones had any visible injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I would report it myself. As much as I would hate any dog to be euthanased the dog has shown on more than one occassion that it will try to attck dogs that if no-one intervenes could end up badly for the dogs it is attacking. The owner can apologise all they like, the fact is their containment for a known dog aggressive dog was not adequate and the dog got out. The only reason there was not more damage to those small dogs was that you intervened. Thank fully you didn't get accidentally bitten or bear the brunt of re-directed aggression. It does also show that dogs can be terrible with other dogs but great with people. HAving a dog like that is a big responsibilty and they do not seem to be taking that resposibilty seriously. There cannot be a mistake and oh the dog slipped out the door. I am guessing due to you calling the council for details they will have already potentially be on the case as they dog is classed as dangerous and shouldn't be at large. I think of me walking my Whippets, an incident like that can kill a smaller dog very easily as they don't have much protection. All it takes it one canine in the wrong place and they are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruin Maniac Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Good on you for helping! How horrid! I guess it's possible they were building the containment but that's still no excuse for the dog to be out. Did you see if her little ones had any visible injuries? While the two owners exchanged details, I sat with her little ones and looked them over for puncture wounds, tender spots and other injuries. One had a bite to the side, covered in drool and potentially punctured (hard to tell with the thick ringlets, but I couldn't see blood on my fingers which I guess is a good sign). The other was limping on his hind leg and that worried me. No visible injuries to the eyes, ears or muzzles. Some tender spots on their sides, which they turned and tried to lick me when I touched them. Hopefully just bruises. Both were panting very heavily and were quivery. But she is taking them to the vet which is only three streets down. Hopefully we'll know soon. OSoSwift - I do agree that the fact that the dog wasn't properly contained is awful. A tether or a crate, surely, if people were using the doors when there is no fence? And if he lived so close by, why wasn't he out looking for his dog? I am also glad there was no redirected aggression. I'm short and light, and if I couldn't shove it off to start with when all the adrenaline was flowing I don't think I'd have stood much of a chance. That dog was pure muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) I would be making a complaint and not waiting for the lady to take that step I agree. I am also glad there was no redirected aggression. I'm short and light, and if I couldn't shove it off to start with when all the adrenaline was flowing I don't think I'd have stood much of a chance. That dog was pure muscle. I'm glad there wasn't any redirected aggression too . However, I understand you acted in the heat of the moment and I have done the same when a Rottweiler attacked a Guide Dog . Truly. I also understand that you are concerned about the ramifications for bull breeds. However, if people are going to have these big strong dogs (any dog for that matter), they have to understand their responsibilities as well: to other dogs, the community and their own dog. Please report. Edited November 15, 2012 by Danny's Darling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wobbly Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Report it. That's the only responsible course of action. Sure the fluffies weren't hurt this time, but what about next time - you might not be there to avert disaster next time. Far worse for Bull breeds as a whole if this dog gets out and goes on the rampage again and does some real damage to someone's little pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 What a terrible thing to witness and be involved in.. Glad you were not hurt :-).. Scary stuff goodluck with whatever action you choose to take ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I agree with the others- report it. Those little dogs and others may not be so lucky next time. All owners need to be responsible for their dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyBlue Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I would report it myself. As much as I would hate any dog to be euthanased the dog has shown on more than one occassion that it will try to attck dogs that if no-one intervenes could end up badly for the dogs it is attacking. The owner can apologise all they like, the fact is their containment for a known dog aggressive dog was not adequate and the dog got out. The only reason there was not more damage to those small dogs was that you intervened. Thank fully you didn't get accidentally bitten or bear the brunt of re-directed aggression. It does also show that dogs can be terrible with other dogs but great with people. HAving a dog like that is a big responsibilty and they do not seem to be taking that resposibilty seriously. There cannot be a mistake and oh the dog slipped out the door. I am guessing due to you calling the council for details they will have already potentially be on the case as they dog is classed as dangerous and shouldn't be at large. I think of me walking my Whippets, an incident like that can kill a smaller dog very easily as they don't have much protection. All it takes it one canine in the wrong place and they are dead. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Those dogs could still die from shock or crush injuries so are not out of the woods yet. Definitely report the attack to ensure that the dog is pts and never has a chance to do that again. I don't care how people friendly he is, he has no place in society. The owner should also be in for a heavy fine for being so irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Report it. That's the only responsible course of action. Sure the fluffies weren't hurt this time, but what about next time - you might not be there to avert disaster next time. Far worse for Bull breeds as a whole if this dog gets out and goes on the rampage again and does some real damage to someone's little pets. I agree, report it. I really hope the little dogs are ok. I hope you get an update from the lady about them after their vet visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm surprised the council contacted the owner if it was a dangerous dog. Surely they are meant to do a report or something? I'd report it, stupid irresponsible owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm surprised the council contacted the owner if it was a dangerous dog. Surely they are meant to do a report or something? I'd report it, stupid irresponsible owners. Cazablanca, I don't think the council contacted the dog's owner. The two men who stopped to help did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Exactly, hope she does take them to the vet - report it! Owner has had their chance and did not step up to the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Well Done for stepping in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) [ While the two owners exchanged details, I sat with her little ones and looked them over for puncture wounds, tender spots and other injuries. One had a bite to the side, covered in drool and potentially punctured (hard to tell with the thick ringlets, but I couldn't see blood on my fingers which I guess is a good sign). The other was limping on his hind leg and that worried me. No visible injuries to the eyes, ears or muzzles. Some tender spots on their sides, which they turned and tried to lick me when I touched them. Hopefully just bruises. Both were panting very heavily and were quivery. But she is taking them to the vet which is only three streets down. Hopefully we'll know soon. Onya! You bravely got in, just in the nick of time. Thank goodness the blokes in the car decided to return so you weren't battling alone. That lady must be so glad you heard the call for help. I agree with OSOS. Something even far worse would've happened without your intervention. And also that the little dogs aren't out of the woods yet... nor is the lady, who may well get hit with after-shock. Did the owner, among all his excuses, show any concern that the little dogs might be injured? He certainly should be paying for the vet examination and any treatment. Edited November 15, 2012 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm surprised the council contacted the owner if it was a dangerous dog. Surely they are meant to do a report or something? I'd report it, stupid irresponsible owners. Cazablanca, I don't think the council contacted the dog's owner. The two men who stopped to help did? Ah, thanks for pointing that out, I misread the OP. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinabean Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm surprised the council contacted the owner if it was a dangerous dog. Surely they are meant to do a report or something? I'd report it, stupid irresponsible owners. Cazablanca, I don't think the council contacted the dog's owner. The two men who stopped to help did? Ah, thanks for pointing that out, I misread the OP. :) No worries, easily done. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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