Leah82 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 With english cocker spaniels you don't just have the growth to worry about but they will never get a proper sleek adult coat desexed at that age. Our cocker was desexed before 16 weeks and has a dense and woolly coat which requires regular clipping and gets knotted very easily. Although one advantage is that he is a very low shedder Obviously it doesn't affect him that much but if you like the breed because of their coat I would be finding another breeder, there are plenty out there. here is my guy at his woolly stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESCS Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Our tibetan spaniel was desexed at around 9 weeks before he came to us. He had a hernia that was repaired at the same time. He is definitely leggier than our tibbie girl who was desexed at 3 years after her last litter. Her legs are much shorter and stockier but it could also be because she is more true to breed standard being a show dog. Our boy was sold as pet only. He has had no complications from early de sexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 With english cocker spaniels you don't just have the growth to worry about but they will never get a proper sleek adult coat desexed at that age. Our cocker was desexed before 16 weeks and has a dense and woolly coat which requires regular clipping and gets knotted very easily. Although one advantage is that he is a very low shedder Desexing will alter the coat no matter what age they are desexed. I would not buy from a breeder who desexes babies, they need their hormones to grow and develop properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah82 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) With english cocker spaniels you don't just have the growth to worry about but they will never get a proper sleek adult coat desexed at that age. Our cocker was desexed before 16 weeks and has a dense and woolly coat which requires regular clipping and gets knotted very easily. Although one advantage is that he is a very low shedder Desexing will alter the coat no matter what age they are desexed. I would not buy from a breeder who desexes babies, they need their hormones to grow and develop properly. I've groomed many desexed cocker spaniels and work in cocker rescue, coats vary a lot. Collie would probably be the worst I've come across, the better coats usually come from dogs that were desexed at 12 months or older Edited November 13, 2014 by Leah82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airedaler Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Off topic here but if a puppy is desexed at 8 weeks is a tattoo put in it's ear as is routine with an older dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Ask the breeder to consider a vasectomy instead of removing the testes. The pup will still be infertile but retain an important source of growth hormones. Breeders go for EAD to protect their dogs from unscrupulous breeders. However I'd not buy a pet desexed that young. Vasectomy is the middle ground. At the I Love Dogs Show last Sunday, I asked one of the Vets about vasectomy. The reply was no Vets do not do this in Australia. This was not for desexing at a young age either. I ended the conversation. That's bullcrap, my vet will and it costs the same as desexing at the same age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 It absolutely is done in Australia, you just need to ask for it. It is not done routinely because most people just want their dog desexed. Yep, I knew. But I just thought it a blanket dismissal. Might be wrong reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaCC Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Ask the breeder to consider a vasectomy instead of removing the testes. The pup will still be infertile but retain an important source of growth hormones. Breeders go for EAD to protect their dogs from unscrupulous breeders. However I'd not buy a pet desexed that young. Vasectomy is the middle ground. At the I Love Dogs Show last Sunday, I asked one of the Vets about vasectomy. The reply was no Vets do not do this in Australia. This was not for desexing at a young age either. I ended the conversation. That's bullcrap, my vet will and it costs the same as desexing at the same age Yep it's definitely done, just not all clinics will do it. Ask if the breeder will consider Vasectomy/Tubal ligation, if they refuse I personally would not buy a pup desexed at that age and would look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 My puppy was done by the AWL at 8 weeks - and yes - she got two tattoos as well, one for desex, and another for microchip. She is a bit taller and narrower in the skull than other cattle dogs types but it's hard to say if that was the early desex or not, given I don't know what her parents looked like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Tattoo is optional not automatic if desexing is done by breeder or owner. No point in tattoo for a male, its obvious at a glance. Edited November 13, 2014 by Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 ...I contacted many Siberian Husky breeders around the country when I was looking - all registered with good pedigree. Quite a few were doing the desexing at 6 to 8 weeks. This was an absolute no for me. Luckily a very nice lady who I met at a sled dog meet, who is a breeder that shows and races helped me in selecting a breeder (she wasn't going to have another litter for a number of years) She was against the early desexing and helped me with my list of potentials and made two recommendations that she knew and respected after I had explained some of the responses I was getting. Each to their own I suppose, but I found the typical comment that "it makes no difference and we have been doing it for years" quite off-putting. Some were even quite rude when I asked if it was possible to negotiate a later desexing due to my desire to participate in sledding. I understand people wanting to protect "their lines", but less breeding and more careful selection of buyers seems to be a healthier option for the dogs in my opinion. The "they're just pets" doesn't sit well with me. To me, each and every dog's life and wellbeing is of equal value. Incidentally, I know of two bitches at our local park that suffer from incontinence from this very very early 8 week spaying, and in discussing this it seems quite common?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Ask the breeder to consider a vasectomy instead of removing the testes. The pup will still be infertile but retain an important source of growth hormones. Breeders go for EAD to protect their dogs from unscrupulous breeders. However I'd not buy a pet desexed that young. Vasectomy is the middle ground. At the I Love Dogs Show last Sunday, I asked one of the Vets about vasectomy. The reply was no Vets do not do this in Australia. This was not for desexing at a young age either. I ended the conversation. That's bullcrap, my vet will and it costs the same as desexing at the same age My vet would do it - at $400 per pup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VizslaMomma Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) My vet would do it - at $400 per pup! The Vets were offering a free consultation to visitors. If we had been on the same page, I might have driven the distance to make use of their offer. Luckily I knew of vascetomies being done so did not bother. Edited November 13, 2014 by VizslaMomma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 ...I contacted many Siberian Husky breeders around the country when I was looking - all registered with good pedigree. Quite a few were doing the desexing at 6 to 8 weeks. This was an absolute no for me. Luckily a very nice lady who I met at a sled dog meet, who is a breeder that shows and races helped me in selecting a breeder (she wasn't going to have another litter for a number of years) She was against the early desexing and helped me with my list of potentials and made two recommendations that she knew and respected after I had explained some of the responses I was getting. Each to their own I suppose, but I found the typical comment that "it makes no difference and we have been doing it for years" quite off-putting. Some were even quite rude when I asked if it was possible to negotiate a later desexing due to my desire to participate in sledding. I understand people wanting to protect "their lines", but less breeding and more careful selection of buyers seems to be a healthier option for the dogs in my opinion. The "they're just pets" doesn't sit well with me. To me, each and every dog's life and wellbeing is of equal value. Incidentally, I know of two bitches at our local park that suffer from incontinence from this very very early 8 week spaying, and in discussing this it seems quite common?? Good breeders breed less & select great owners but GREAT owners can also turn to bad owners very easily so in the end good breeders trust there instinct & past experiences to protect the puppies they have breed not there lines after all when some breeds suddenly get crossed with everything Joe Public are quick to point the finger at good breeders for not taking more care ,we are stuffed either way. Our breed is highly sort after & the biggest puppy farmers are vets who have even tried to convince some of our puppy owners to breed from there pups so in the end the people we trust are ourselves or we simply do breed less & at present the breed less is becoming the better option with many puppy owners wanting to breed or crossbreed & sell to pet shops ,our pups will not be part of that so spaying early we will do all the way ,once burned you become very proactive. As for spay incontinence i see more dogs that you will in a life time & the incidence is very low ,far lower than the oops litters ,some breeds are more predisposed & many have UTI early on that owners never tend to & have issues later on . Infact breeders who consider there safety of there pets are thinking of them & just pets means just as much if not more in protecting them . In 30 plus years never had any of our dogs have spay issues big or small ,a good vet makes the world of difference & all our dogs are spayed either early or once retired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 ...I contacted many Siberian Husky breeders around the country when I was looking - all registered with good pedigree. Quite a few were doing the desexing at 6 to 8 weeks. This was an absolute no for me. Luckily a very nice lady who I met at a sled dog meet, who is a breeder that shows and races helped me in selecting a breeder (she wasn't going to have another litter for a number of years) She was against the early desexing and helped me with my list of potentials and made two recommendations that she knew and respected after I had explained some of the responses I was getting. Good breeders breed less & select great owners but GREAT owners can also turn to bad owners very easily so in the end good breeders trust there instinct & past experiences to protect the puppies they have breed not there lines after all when some breeds suddenly get crossed with everything Joe Public are quick to point the finger at good breeders for not taking more care ,we are stuffed either way. Our breed is highly sort after & the biggest puppy farmers are vets who have even tried to convince some of our puppy owners to breed from there pups so in the end the people we trust are ourselves or we simply do breed less & at present the breed less is becoming the better option with many puppy owners wanting to breed or crossbreed & sell to pet shops ,our pups will not be part of that so spaying early we will do all the way ,once burned you become very proactive. As for spay incontinence i see more dogs that you will in a life time & the incidence is very low ,far lower than the oops litters ,some breeds are more predisposed & many have UTI early on that owners never tend to & have issues later on . Infact breeders who consider there safety of there pets are thinking of them & just pets means just as much if not more in protecting them . In 30 plus years never had any of our dogs have spay issues big or small ,a good vet makes the world of difference & all our dogs are spayed either early or once retired Excellent post Showdog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Tattoo is optional not automatic if desexing is done by breeder or owner. No point in tattoo for a male, its obvious at a glance. a tattoo is still needed for a male, some are cryptorchids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florise Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) I've groomed many desexed cocker spaniels and work in cocker rescue, coats vary a lot. Collie would probably be the worst I've come across, the better coats usually come from dogs that were desexed at 12 months or older Coats vary a lot naturally. You will find they are all different. Hormones play a role in coat maintenance so desexing age makes no difference. Once the hormones are gone the coat often changes. Edited November 13, 2014 by Florise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Reading this (excerpt from caninecancer.com ) : Research was performed in 2002 to determine if spaying or neutering a dog increased the risk of developing bone cancer. Experimental and clinical evidence suggests that endogenous sex hormones influence bone sarcoma genesis but the hypothesis had not been adequately tested in an appropriate animal model. A historical study was conducted of Rottweiler dogs because they frequently undergo elective gonadectomy and spontaneously develop appendicular bone sarcomas, which mimic the biological behavior of the osteosarcomas that affect children and adolescents. In summary, this study found that male and female Rottweilers with the shortest lifetime gonadal exposure had the highest risk for bone sarcoma. Dogs that underwent early elective gonadectomy had a one in four lifetime risk of bone sarcoma development compared with a significantly reduced risk among dogs that were sexually intact throughout their lifetime. Although it remains unclear how endogenous gonadal hormones influence bone sarcoma development, the work provides the framework for selecting a target population for bone sarcoma prevention studies. To read the complete study, please click here: http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/11/1434 As you'll read, it suggests that fluoride in the water is linked with cancer in rats. So yes, there's a lot of things that can be thought the culprit for this rotten disease. Is desexing and/or desexing early one of them? I tend to think nature knows best and has the 'one-up' on us. Edited November 13, 2014 by Erny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 But nature also ensures animals mate every season, which changes the hormone balance. And a lot of animals die very young in the wild, the domestic cat being a classic case study. (Just playing devils advocate - I have an entire dog and entire bitch). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stressmagnet Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I so wish I waited another 6 months before desexing Ernie. Or found this forum sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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