Chris the Rebel Wolf Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hey Cheys, how are you going with your search? Other people have made really good points with the type of breeder this person seemed to be so I won't repeat things there, I agree with what has been stated. I have a bit of input for you as to some breed info, since your second-last post you weren't sure about Golden/Lab :) Firstly, I should mention I am biased towards Goldens since I was best friends with one called Husky as a child, BUT I also own a lab cross so I love them as well! VERY general statements - Goldens need slightly more grooming time. (A plus for me. I love spending grooming time with my kids :)) Labs CAN be sillier and more high-energy (read: ballistic) until they're a few years old. However I have known Goldens to go through this silly loopy stage as well :p Try to met up with some labs/goldens in your area to help make up your mind? I went through the reg verses byb when I got Maya. I am so glad I waited and went with the initial registered breeder I liked - she took the time to match me with a perfect pet-temperment Anatolian, and she's healthy as a horse! If I had gone for the cheaper, quicker option - well, I doubt I'd have a pup with as nice a nature, and I could by now be dealing with hip displaysia - or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I am sure the problem is that the original pup is $900 - a registered one is about $1400. A lot of $$ for people with a young family. Another $500 seems a lot - and it is - until something goes wrong with the purchase. I often see the dramas people have had with byb or pet shop pups bred by people who probably did care, but didn't know much - and the thousands they shelled out to try to fix the problem. Although it is hard to fix a pup who simply drops dead on day 2 of your ownership. Not trying to frighten you --- I do understand the problem. It's a toughie. $500 is a lot of bucks. Hope whatever you do works out for you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Please Cheys, run from this "breeder". As a registered breeder of many years, I can never understand why people are breeding dogs without papers. The only reasons which occur to me are greed or lack of will to do the right thing. There may be other reasons. They may not really understand that their work of 4 months is going to be your pet for 10+ years. Labs and goldens are very different. I personally prefer goldens. I have breeder friends, and all their puppy sales are successful, the dogs fitting seamlessly into the family. Labs are great too but they are not interchangeable with goldens. What makes a good dog is firstly, hereditary factors ... parents and grand-parents and so on with great health, marvellous temperaments and good looks. Then there is the testing of the parents - whatever tests are appropriate for the breed - I think with goldens it is hips, elbows, and eyes and hearts. Next, there is the mother ... a nice mellow girl with good habits, a love of people and the will to please, as well as a calm and friendly nature - AND, most importantly - good nerve. The stud dog should be as good as possible, and the breeder should know him, and a few of his ancestors. And both parents should have the temperament described in the breed standard of excellence for that breed. Or close to it. Then the raising of the pups - they should be left with mother to get on with it, with weaning beginning at 3 - 4 weeks, depending on the maturity of the litter. Weaning may take a little time, with mum stepping in to provide a little supplementary feeding, and some adult company. When the pups are fully weaned, at around 6 weeks they will have been introduced to various different things, handled all over (and some breeders may have done specific handling which is said to increase the learning ability of the pups). As they grow, their horizons should widen too - just in the home and garden. Other dogs who are good with pups should play with them, if possible, but never frighten or threaten. At 6 - 8 weeks, depending on a whole heap of things, the pups should be vac and vet checked, and left to play together, and with other mature friends until sale time, which at my house - could be anywhere from 8 -12 weeks; again, depending on maturity and when I think they are ready to leave home. When they are sold, they are bright, friendly, happy, inquisitive little souls. They have experienced housework, gardening, car rides, and have the idea about the grass being the puppy toilet. They greet all new experiences with joy and delight. They are not easily frightened - but they have the sense to run from dangerous objects - thus the laundry trolley is nothing, but the ride on is a big scary dragon, and little pups leave quickly before they are gobbled up. Pups have learned bite inhibition, through socialisation with their siblings, and perhaps some bigger dogs, they will also have learned how to behave from their mother. And she will have passed on her calm sensible temperament. None of this can be done in 4 weeks. What you should be paying a little more for is the better breeding, looks and temperament of the parents -- which is so important - the health checks on the parents, and the expertise of the breeder. There is a huge difference, in my experience, in expertise between a breeder of 12 months and 12 years!! Usually!! And then, when you take your healthy, happy, child friendly, outgoing puppy home, it is up to you to bring out the best in it by consistent and careful handling, and consistent training. That's how you get a good dog!! Good luck, please do go to someone who is registered. Ask them how long they have been breeding, whether they are registered breeders, how long they have had the breed. Talk to them to find out what they are like, and how they feel about the pups. Some are better than others, pick a good one. I don't breed goldens, but PM me if you think I can help. :) Incidentally, even with health checks, the dog may have some problems, but you can bet if there are problems, they will be fewer than with a dog whose parents have had no health checks. This pup will go to someone who hasn't been on dogzonline, and to someone who loves it. Perhaps to someone who will spend thousands on health problems because they didn't know any better, but whatever happens, that pup will have a good home. If you buy this pup, you could worry about the others in the litter and where they go - but you wont - so don't worry about that one either. Here is some puppy interaction. Different breeders, both well brought up and socialised, and not sold U. 8 weeks Just read this, and wanted to say what a great post - wish it could be pinned on Gumtree and similar sites. I've just watched (via Facebook) a litter of beautifully bred Goldens bred and raised by friends of mine - all pups should have such an upbringing. All of the things that jed has described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph M Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Massive round of applause there, Jed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Hi everyone thanks for all your advice I have decided not to get the puppy in question and have decided on a labrador which I am getting from a registered breeder which I feel very confident and happy with, thank you everyone for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 My brother and sil have a labrador which is beautiful so I'm very aware of what the breed are like, I don't know anyone have Goldens so that's what made me ultimately decide on the Labrador, I should be able to pick her up after the 12th of March I'm very excited and feel that I have made the right choice, I'm lining up some puppy school and looking into further training as well, but I may need to come back here and ask all sorts of questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliwake Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Congrats on wading through all that and coming to a resolution you're happy with Cheys - I'm sure your new lab will be a special part of your family. Make sure you show us some pics once you have her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Great news! :) and yes pics are mandatory! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 http://imgur.com/m2LmUWx Not sure if that's how you put a picture in but that's her I'm on my iphone not sure how to add in a picture :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 oohh..lab pups are just way too cute and angelic looking :p I hope you will share photos!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Hi persephone i posted a link to a picture of her in the post above yours I hope you can see her she is not ready to be picked up till after 12 March but im sure I will take stacks of pictures :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 http://imgur.com/m2LmUWx Not sure if that's how you put a picture in but that's her I'm on my iphone not sure how to add in a picture :) Yes I see her, tooooooo cute!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 She is gorgeous :) thank you everyone for your help :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Hi persephone i posted a link to a picture of her in the post above yours I hope you can see her she is not ready to be picked up till after 12 March but im sure I will take stacks of pictures :) awww... she IS cute :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Adorable! Have you chosen a name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Hi minimax the kids want to call her Rose, I'm not to keen on that name but I'm sure it will grow on me :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliwake Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 She is gorgeous! I think Rose is a great name for a very pretty girl :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Don't ask me for name suggestions... I called my Lab girl Trouble... lol! T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheys232 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Thanks Aliwake :) haha tdierikx sounds like a great name! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justrace Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Oh my goodness she is so cute, I bet your kids are so excited. Best of luck, can't wait to hear the pupdates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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