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Knowing HW as I do, she will not back down you can be assured of that.

I believe the ranger can issue a notice to declare the dogs dangerous, then the owner has 14 days to prove they are not. If they can come up with credible evidence they are not ( I am guessing a behaviourist report) then they can have the order over turned. If it was a second incident it would hold regardless of proof or not.

By the fact that this incident occurred the dogs already meet the definition of Dangerous or Menacing (posted above).

The owner has 7 days to submit representations unless Council gives them an extension.

37 Authorised officer must consider dog owner’s objections

(1) The owner has 7 days after the date the notice is given in which to object to the proposed declaration.

(2) If the owner does not object within that time, the authorised officer can proceed to make the declaration after the 7 days have passed.

(3) If the owner does object within that time, the authorised officer must first consider the objection before proceeding to make the declaration.

(4) A reference in this section to the authorised officer is a reference to any authorised officer of the council and is not limited to the authorised officer who gave the notice.

There is no definites as far as the reps are concerned. The Council must consider them but the reps submitted, even if there's a positive behaviourist report, do not automatically mean the dogs mustn't be declared.

It's up to the Council's discretion whether to declare or not.

The Council may choose not to declare - and may feel that $1100 fines plus the vet bills is enough of a punishment and deterrent if the owner has shown that they can and will contain the dogs in future. It's entirely up to them, and they have a broader knowledge of the entire situation than any of us here.

But if they are telling you HazyWal that because it's a first offence they CAN'T declare, and that their hands are tied by the legislation - that is not true.

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What I just don't understand is that councils will impound dogs because of what they look like but seem unwilling to take action when there is an issue. I am sure I am not alone in thinking this!!

You're right. This is a clear case of why deed not breed is at the heart of public safety. Another 'slip up' and those dogs will do it again. Best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. Breed is not predictive of an individual dog's behaviour.

Apart from the horror that HW & the greys had to go thro', those dogs pose a community problem. Which is why mel's post makes sense to me.

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Thanks so much Mel for your advice, what Oso said is exactly what I was told today. She has 14 days to prove that her dogs are not dangerous, and really how the f**k do you do that :/, and then the council will declare it a non issue. The ranger told me that it is highly improbable that it will stick. We are dealing with Gosford Council here, it took me three months of calls and emails for them to reply to a separate issue :(

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Thanks so much Mel for your advice, what Oso said is exactly what I was told today. She has 14 days to prove that her dogs are not dangerous, and really how the f**k do you do that :/, and then the council will declare it a non issue.

It's known the dogs are dangerous because they already acted dangerously, causing documented injury to other dogs & a person. It's not hearsay. There's evidence of what happened.

Again.... it's a truism 'The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.' Given a similar owner 'slip up' in monitoring & management, it's predictable that these dogs will do the same thing again. So the community has a vested interest in something firm being done about this owner & her dogs. Council animal management is supposed to be in the interests of community safety.

Do you have an independent body in NSW the same as the Q'ld Civil & Admininstrative Review Tribunal? People can challenge government & local government decisions that they disagree with. Interestingly, 'animal management' is given on their website as one of the areas that can be challenged.

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I thought it was 14 days and they get a dangerous dog title not 14 days and the issue is cleared? That 14 days gives them a chance to prove innocence and if they don't then they have to comply with dangerous/menacing dog requirements

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Thanks so much Mel for your advice, what Oso said is exactly what I was told today. She has 14 days to prove that her dogs are not dangerous, and really how the f**k do you do that :/, and then the council will declare it a non issue. The ranger told me that it is highly improbable that it will stick. We are dealing with Gosford Council here, it took me three months of calls and emails for them to reply to a separate issue :(

Hazy Wal perhaps consider speaking directly to the person who manages the pound/rangers in council (sorry if you have already done so). I saw a big difference at times when people did so.

They oversee shelter staff/rangers and deal with complaints or any issues. Follow it up in writting.

It is forseeable that the same thing that happened to you, Stan and Maddie can happen again. As you have said, if it was a smaller dog with an owner not able to intervene it could have been another story. I said the same when it happened to me. I had steal caped boots on have have never booted anything that hard in my life.

I am so sorry you have been through this, hope you are all recovering and please make sure you visit the doctor today.

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If these dogs are not Declared Dangerous - I think we have to go to the media!!!! How this council is applying the legislation would need examination. :mad

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I'm pretty sure it was Gosford Council that managed my friend's case a few years ago. She was walking her kelpie during a visit to the coast when a huge dog (breed unidentified) came out of it's driveway and attacked them. She was walking her dog on the lead at around 6pm and didn't see the dog coming. It got her dog by the throat and she injured herself, trying to get the dog off. The dog's owner had followed the dog out but did nothing to help. My friend rushed her dog to the nearest vet who did some emergency repair work before putting her dog back in the car and driving to Sydney trying to get to SASH but he died en route.

The council went looking for the dog and found the dog. The owners pleaded for him, saying that he'd never done it before - as he was regularly loose in the area, you'd have to wonder as this was totally unprovoked and sudden - no fight occurred, the dog simply went in for the kill.

Anyhow, the rangers contacted my friends and told them they could ask for the dog to be euthanased but they decided not to.

I would definitely not have been so forgiving because I would never want that to happen to someone else.

It's awful because you are already upset at times like this and thinking/acting on anything can be challenging but it cannot be right that dogs can be allowed to attack like that due to owner's negligence and get off scott free.

Just paying a vet bill doesn't make it right. People and their pets need to be protected from these dogs.

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I would be going on Melz advice.

My neighbours dog was out everyday, and would sit on my doorstep and rush anyone who walked past and try and bite them.

One day it attacked and nearly killed a neighbours cat which was on its front lawn playing with its owners young children.

The vet bill was over $3000, she refused to pay.

I know the dog was immediately declared a nuisance and she got a fine.

It continued to get out, scaled the fence everyday, I and many neighbours rang council, they never showed ( I know as it sat allday on my porch). :mad

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OMG your poor babies, I'm so glad they escaped with their lives. I hope your injuries are healing well too. I can't believe the b**ch is trying to get out of paying the rest of the vet bills. She shouldn't be allowed to keep her dogs if she isn't financially stable, what if they got sick, how would she pay then. I sincerely hope you can get the money out of her, you shouldn't have to suffer the pain and stress as well as the financial beating :mad

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I'm pretty sure it was Gosford Council that managed my friend's case a few years ago. She was walking her kelpie during a visit to the coast when a huge dog (breed unidentified) came out of it's driveway and attacked them. She was walking her dog on the lead at around 6pm and didn't see the dog coming. It got her dog by the throat and she injured herself, trying to get the dog off. The dog's owner had followed the dog out but did nothing to help. My friend rushed her dog to the nearest vet who did some emergency repair work before putting her dog back in the car and driving to Sydney trying to get to SASH but he died en route.

The council went looking for the dog and found the dog. The owners pleaded for him, saying that he'd never done it before - as he was regularly loose in the area, you'd have to wonder as this was totally unprovoked and sudden - no fight occurred, the dog simply went in for the kill.

Anyhow, the rangers contacted my friends and told them they could ask for the dog to be euthanased but they decided not to.

I would definitely not have been so forgiving because I would never want that to happen to someone else.

It's awful because you are already upset at times like this and thinking/acting on anything can be challenging but it cannot be right that dogs can be allowed to attack like that due to owner's negligence and get off scott free.

Just paying a vet bill doesn't make it right. People and their pets need to be protected from these dogs.

Jesus HM Dogmad.... That is just such a sad story :( Poor Kelpie :angel:

I'm sorry but I couldn't of been that forgiving either. Not a chance if it killed one of mine.

So very true what you are saying. Paying the Vet bill DOES NOT make it right at all. People should be able to walk their dogs happily & safely. Not be in fear of being attacked or worse. Negligent aggressive dog owners need to be held accountable big time. An unsupervised aggressive dog has no place in society IMHO.

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Thanks so much Mel for your advice, what Oso said is exactly what I was told today. She has 14 days to prove that her dogs are not dangerous, and really how the f**k do you do that :/, and then the council will declare it a non issue. The ranger told me that it is highly improbable that it will stick. We are dealing with Gosford Council here, it took me three months of calls and emails for them to reply to a separate issue :(

Contact Team Dog and ask them for some info.

I abhor the fact you, as the innocent party, are being pushed into a corner not deserved.

There must be a stand that can be taken for your rights.

Again HUGS & LOVE to all of you.

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I do have to say that every time the jehovah witness people visit my place they are very careful about shutting the gate even if I have shut the door in their face. And it is the owner's responsibility to ensure all gates are shut before letting the dogs out into the yard. She hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Hope the Dr clears you of any serious damage and it's just bruising. Not that just bruising is acceptable either but you get my drift :)

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Thanks so much Mel for your advice, what Oso said is exactly what I was told today. She has 14 days to prove that her dogs are not dangerous, and really how the f**k do you do that :/, and then the council will declare it a non issue. The ranger told me that it is highly improbable that it will stick. We are dealing with Gosford Council here, it took me three months of calls and emails for them to reply to a separate issue :(

Contact Team Dog and ask them for some info.

I abhor the fact you, as the innocent party, are being pushed into a corner not deserved.

There must be a stand that can be taken for your rights.

Again HUGS & LOVE to all of you.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Melza is one third of Team Dog :)

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The ranger just came and saw me to let me know the outcome of yesterdays meeting with the owner of these dogs and she told me again that she highly doubts the dangerous dog dec will go through :( She said it may but she highly doubts it.

They have the following photos so how could it not? :cry:

Maddie's injuries, stitches on the right and the open wound and some of the bruising.

Stan's hock where the dog was dragging him by the leg.

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